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RE: Is Christianity a Pacifistic Religion?
September 16, 2018 at 9:22 am
(September 16, 2018 at 12:28 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: For everything there is a season. A time for war, and a time for peace.
I don’t think that this passage, is saying, that you have to be a pacifist in every situation. But that temperance is a virtue. I think that perhaps a more biblical outlook, might be, not to seek revenge, rather than total pacifism.
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RE: Is Christianity a Pacifistic Religion?
September 16, 2018 at 9:27 am
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Traditional Christianity... no. Absolutely no.
1 Corinthians 1:27-28
But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. God chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are,
To sum it up. Its like a bunch of Judas people used as tools. The ignorant. You in power have the knowledge, they however are the tools to expand the kingdom... you know Europe right with nobles, intellects in higher power. Kind of a good reason why the catholics didnt want the peasants to have the bible so that everyone could read it during the protestant reformation.
Also there is this
Ephesians 6:12
12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
Meaning the authoritarian stance on fighting against evil influences.
So Christianity is sorta like Communism, it works well on paper but not really in practice in terms of stuff that is in it. Like Catholic/orthodoxy follows like Sunni islam mafia religious culture... but atleast protestantic christianity is debatable snce the only authority is the bible, so it atleast doesnt follow an establishment outside god's word. Meaning it is more individualistic than the established church in that sense
Islamic ones have atleast the practice part in a more coherent matter its just some stuff is well... you question the abnormal stuff in it, just like when religious mafia culture gets too much power you question if that is a smart idea, what values of ideas that are by default bad etc.
If it were me i'd suggest a new religious cult of obvious good and evil. How does one not know if abrahamic religions doesnt send you to death for thinking such and such about people. Or thinking it was more made for spite than truth.
Either case i thought you atheists were against religion in politics? Or is it ok if they are cuckolds for your communist/marxist political views. I would rather prefer politics be politics
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RE: Is Christianity a Pacifistic Religion?
September 16, 2018 at 3:21 pm
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What a fucking idiot! Lol. This is what happens when you inform yourself with misinformation, folks.
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RE: Is Christianity a Pacifistic Religion?
September 16, 2018 at 4:36 pm
Even posing the question seems ludicrous to me. Wonder why that is??
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RE: Is Christianity a Pacifistic Religion?
September 17, 2018 at 12:19 am
(September 16, 2018 at 4:11 am)vulcanlogician Wrote: (September 16, 2018 at 12:28 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: For everything there is a season. A time for war, and a time for peace.
I don’t think that this passage, is saying, that you have to be a pacifist in every situation. But that temperance is a virtue. I think that perhaps a more biblical outlook, might be, not to seek revenge, rather than total pacifism.
Okay. Fine. But what about someone who sees pacifism as one of the ways they obey Christ? Would you say they have the wrong idea? Or would you see a commitment to pacifism as something that is perfectly in line with Christ's teachings?
I think that pacifism is a bit of an extreme of ideology. That being said, it's certainly better than a view to the contrary. I can understand the pacifist idea, but I do think that it is wrong. There are certainly some views withing the teachings of the Bible that are compatible, but I don't see that being taught. For instance, in the passage that you cited, it's certainly friendly to the pacifist ideal. But it takes quite a bit of eisogesis (reading into the text) to get to pacifism from there (as well as ignoring somethings). I would ask the one pointing to this, 1) Where they a pacifist before? 2). Would they be willing to change their mind, if shown otherwise in the Scriptures and early Church history. So I think that there wrong, that reading into the text, rather than from it, but I have compassion, because I do think that their heart is in the right place (at least from one point of view).
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RE: Is Christianity a Pacifistic Religion?
September 17, 2018 at 12:57 am
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Turn the other cheek seemed fairly explicit. Sup, god get that shit wrong too? How many tries will it take for him to get the religion right?
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RE: Is Christianity a Pacifistic Religion?
September 17, 2018 at 2:32 am
Poor god. He's such an inept communicator that he needs a bevy of liars to make Trumptards feel better about being christards!
You'd think that a "god" could do better, wouldn't you?
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RE: Is Christianity a Pacifistic Religion?
September 17, 2018 at 7:20 am
(September 17, 2018 at 12:19 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: But it takes quite a bit of eisogesis (reading into the text) to get to pacifism from there (as well as ignoring somethings).
How do you determine that one is doing eisogesis rather than exegesis?
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RE: Is Christianity a Pacifistic Religion?
September 17, 2018 at 9:50 am
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RE: Is Christianity a Pacifistic Religion?
September 17, 2018 at 10:24 am
(September 17, 2018 at 9:50 am)Drich Wrote: Christianity isn't about judging action but the reason for the actions. it does you shall not murder, but it does not say you shall not kill. The action in both murder and killing as it pertains to the law is the taking of human life. But to murder is to take a life on your own accord having your own reasons.. Killing is the taking of a human's life within the social frame work of a given society. So it is ok to take a life so long as the reason jives with the social law.
So, for all your huffing and puffing about "pop morality", God -- the source of all moral good and the giver of divine commands regarding how we ought to live -- prohibits murder (which is a moral truism, since it contains within itself the concept of wrongdoing) but gives a pass to killing that is in accordance with "social law" -- i.e., pop morality.
Lol, ok.
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