Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: July 26, 2026, 3:04 am

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
What's your biggest beef with religion?
#31
RE: What's your biggest beef with religion?
Its impact on hindering advancement in science and medicine.
Reply
#32
RE: What's your biggest beef with religion?
(September 17, 2018 at 2:04 pm)johan Wrote: Its impact on hindering advancement in science and medicine.

Like putting us a thousand or so years behind where we should have been because knowledge is dangerous to belief.
Reply
#33
RE: What's your biggest beef with religion?
(September 17, 2018 at 3:05 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:
(September 17, 2018 at 2:04 pm)johan Wrote: Its impact on hindering advancement in science and medicine.

Like putting us a thousand or so years behind where we should have been because knowledge is dangerous to belief.

I'm convinced if it wasn't for the Enlightenment era, we'd still be living in the middle ages.
Reply
#34
RE: What's your biggest beef with religion?
(September 17, 2018 at 8:09 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: I have three major beeves. 

[Image: maxresdefault.jpg]


I see no beef.





(September 17, 2018 at 12:17 pm)SteveII Wrote:
(September 16, 2018 at 8:05 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: I'm sure most of us have multiple "beefs." But this thread isn't about those. Just about your biggest one. Theists encouraged to participate.

Mine: It's anti-intellectual. -- It discourages and disparages intellectual curiosity.

Your complaint is too broad. There are religious groups that encourage and have developed thousands of years worth of writing, critical thinking, and curiosity. Religion launched modern science. Seems you need to narrow things a bit since it is trivially easy to find a defeater and render your point invalid.


For that reason I think I'm even more against the mountains of contingencies constructed from the assumption that God is a thing.  I'd much rather hear about someone's feels for God than all that stuff.
Reply
#35
RE: What's your biggest beef with religion?
The complete de-humanization of anyone who does not believe in their particular brand of imaginary friend worship.  This spawns tribal, insular, and judgmental behavior which has led to genocide, pogroms, and tearing apart of family ties, just to name a few obvious examples.  --  And all in the name of a deity that nobody can prove exists.
"The family that prays together...is brainwashing their children."- Albert Einstein
Reply
#36
RE: What's your biggest beef with religion?
(September 16, 2018 at 8:05 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: Mine: It's anti-intellectual. -- It discourages and disparages intellectual curiosity.

Personally, I do not think that is even remotely fair or accurate. I think you're painting with far too broad of a brush.

While it is true that a narrow strain of self-promoting American evangelicals seem to encourage willful ignorance, the whole Christian tradition is filled with prominent scholars, scientists, and thinkers. The influence of Christian intellectuals extends from the early Church Fathers to the founders of the scientific revolution like Pascal, Liebnitz, Francis Bacon and even Swedenborg. Then there are notable Christians like John Ruskin, Milton, Gladstone, and Bonhoeffer. David Bentley Hart is one of my favorite contemporary theologians and I don't think anyone could seriously call him anti-intellectual.
<insert profound quote here>
Reply
#37
RE: What's your biggest beef with religion?
[Image: henry-louis-mencken-quote-the-trouble-wi...is-the.jpg]


I agree with Mencken.
Reply
#38
RE: What's your biggest beef with religion?
(September 17, 2018 at 4:11 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:
(September 16, 2018 at 8:05 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: Mine: It's anti-intellectual. -- It discourages and disparages intellectual curiosity.

Personally, I do not think that is even remotely fair or accurate. I think you're painting with far too broad of a brush.

While it is true that a narrow strain of self-promoting American evangelicals seem to encourage willful ignorance, the whole Christian tradition is filled with prominent scholars, scientists, and thinkers. The influence of Christian intellectuals extends from the early Church Fathers to the founders of the scientific revolution like Pascal, Liebnitz, Francis Bacon and even Swedenborg. Then there are notable Christians like John Ruskin, Milton, Gladstone, and Bonhoeffer. David Bentley Hart is one of my favorite contemporary theologians and I don't think anyone could seriously call him anti-intellectual.

You may also note, that a number of those lived during the “dark ages”. Which seems to be another bogus reason I’m seeing a lot.
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man.  - Alexander Vilenkin
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire.  - Martin Luther
Reply
#39
RE: What's your biggest beef with religion?
(September 17, 2018 at 4:48 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:
(September 17, 2018 at 4:11 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Personally, I do not think that is even remotely fair or accurate. I think you're painting with far too broad of a brush.

While it is true that a narrow strain of self-promoting American evangelicals seem to encourage willful ignorance, the whole Christian tradition is filled with prominent scholars, scientists, and thinkers. The influence of Christian intellectuals extends from the early Church Fathers to the founders of the scientific revolution like Pascal, Liebnitz, Francis Bacon and even Swedenborg. Then there are notable Christians like John Ruskin, Milton, Gladstone, and Bonhoeffer. David Bentley Hart is one of my favorite contemporary theologians and I don't think anyone could seriously call him anti-intellectual.

You may also note, that a number of those lived during the “dark ages”. Which seems to be another bogus reason I’m seeing a lot.

I'm often amazed my the degree to which people discount the intelligence and unfairly judge the morality of people in the past, not just with respect to religion, but pretty much everything. In many ways, the ancients seemed smarter and more wise than us so-called modern and enlightened folks.
<insert profound quote here>
Reply
#40
RE: What's your biggest beef with religion?
(September 17, 2018 at 5:04 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:
(September 17, 2018 at 4:48 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: You may also note, that a number of those lived during the “dark ages”. Which seems to be another bogus reason I’m seeing a lot.

I'm often amazed my the degree to which people discount the intelligence and unfairly judge the morality of people in the past, not just with respect to religion, but pretty much everything. In many ways, the ancients seemed smarter and more wise than us so-called modern and enlightened folks.

The Information Age is great in many respects, but increased information doesn’t necessarily mean increased wisdom or knowledge intelligence.
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man.  - Alexander Vilenkin
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire.  - Martin Luther
Reply



Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  'God', the biggest practitioner of abortion! Simon Moon 65 17314 July 31, 2023 at 12:13 pm
Last Post: no one
  What's your opinion on Liberal Religion? vulcanlogician 121 26335 December 14, 2021 at 12:15 am
Last Post: Ferrocyanide
  Wash your hands or do not wash your hands when you eat Ferrocyanide 48 10767 October 19, 2021 at 1:24 pm
Last Post: Ferrocyanide
  Growing up, did your parents have weird rules because of religion GODZILLA 7 2535 November 15, 2018 at 1:34 pm
Last Post: BrianSoddingBoru4
  Post your favorite examples of religion trying to be "cool" Bunburryist 6 2081 August 22, 2016 at 4:00 pm
Last Post: Faith No More
  Religion hurts homosexuality but homosexuality kills religion? deleteduser12345 43 18806 March 30, 2016 at 2:46 am
Last Post: robvalue
  Terrorism has no religion but religion brings terrorism. Islam is NOT peaceful. bussta33 13 7817 January 16, 2016 at 8:25 pm
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
  Supporting Your Loved One without Supporting Their Religion? How? Rhondazvous 8 4573 October 27, 2015 at 7:14 pm
Last Post: drfuzzy
  Religion's affect outside of religion Heat 67 30964 September 28, 2015 at 9:45 pm
Last Post: TheRocketSurgeon
  Waving your religion around in public is like dyresand 9 5056 September 11, 2015 at 10:52 pm
Last Post: vorlon13



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)