Are there any Christian proselytizers left in this subforum?

[KevinM1]

From where I sit, everyone has their armor piled on so heavily that it's no longer about people communicating with each other and trying to genuinely express themselves, but rather that it's turned into an infantile game where each side tries to outdo one another.  "Your beliefs are stupid" "No, yours are."  And, yes, I'm well aware of how deeply I've fallen into that trap myself.

I don't think theists need a civil sub-section.  What I think would actually help is a sub-section where religious and political talk of any kind is forbidden.  Amazingly (perhaps shockingly), I'd legitimately like to know some of our theists as people.  Almost every interaction with the majority of theists on here is either a conflict over religion/atheism, or a conflict over politics.  Isn't there something not related to either you'd like to talk about?  Any hobbies?  Music?  Food?  Travel?  Art?

[Catholic_Lady]

To clarify, the subsection I had suggested some time ago was definitely not intended to be "for the theists."

[The Grand Nudger]

Unfotunately, that's "twitter talk"...apparently. 

[vulcanlogician]

I'm not here to debate whether or not a god exists.  

Actually, the one thing I've always found disappointing about these boards is that people who know alot about alot of cultures gods have nothing to say.  Those conversations don't happen.  They're eclipsed by stupid arguments as to whether or not fairies are really real.

You can debate and discuss all sorts of things here, dude. Just between you and I, we've discussed metaphysics, ethics, epistemology, and the Appalachian lifestyle.

But if you can't debate whether or not a god exists HERE- where the fuck can you debate it?

THIS is the appropriate place for such debates, and such debates must transpire if we are to move forward as a people.

Where else might these debates transpire? Christian forums? No. Those people are too cowardly to invite rigorous questioning into their midst. Philosophy forums? Well, if you ever want to post a question on a philosophy forum, you'd better know your Hegel... or (at the very least) be a pretentious enough cunt to think your knowledge of Hegel will answer the question of God's existence.

So where else might we have the debate over God's existence? On college campuses, certainly. But we're talking about online places here.

HERE: that is the place to have the debate over whether God exists. And until Tibs or the majority of staff proclaims otherwise, I say it is entirely useful for this debate to continue on these forums.

You forget that there are critical thinking theists out there who are atheists in every regard but they were cursed with white trash parents. THEY don't want to join a forum where everything is monotone; everyone agrees that Yahweh is a myth. THEY want to explore an ongoing discussion of God's existence and relevance. This forum should be a place for THEM too. Not just you.

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Unfotunately, that's "twitter talk"...apparently. 

No. Don't mischaracterize my statements or my meaning. But if you want to consider debates resolved and then get on with your life, Twitter is an excellent resource for you to just post pictures of your rib eye and potatoes and not have to worry about theists disagreeing with you.

[Mystic]

Right, because the demons have got me...with their dark magic.  

Case in point.

I remember when that guy, up above..wasn't a theist.  The space within five feet of him was certainly better than it is today ( and a hell of alot safer for living breathing..existent beings).  His posts have done nothing but devolve since he lost his shit.

It's in this way..that the world would be better off without theists..even if the world weren't better off without MK.  I believe both things..simultaneously.

Envy to the greatest gifts to humans cannot be explained except through dark forces and dark magic and it all started with the dark one Iblis.

Why you choose to hate them cannot have any rationality,  you choose to remain ignorant of the greatest most valued being - God - all out of envy of these people and your rebellion against their followers.

Yes the final Messenger was a Qurayshi, a Hashimi, an Arab, get over your racism and just accept the truth.

[The Grand Nudger]

I'm not here to debate whether or not a god exists.  

Actually, the one thing I've always found disappointing about these boards is that people who know alot about alot of cultures gods have nothing to say.  Those conversations don't happen.  They're eclipsed by stupid arguments as to whether or not fairies are really real.

You can debate and discuss all sorts of things here, dude. Just between you and I, we've discussed metaphysics, ethics, epistemology, and the Appalachian lifestyle.

Yup.  All aided and abetted by the fact that you have no need to assert the existence of a theistic god.  Our interactions don't go like those interactions do.  Eh?

But if you can't debate whether or not a god exists HERE- where the fuck can you debate it?

Nowhere...acceptably.  Undue deference strikes again.  Here again, though, I don't mind that this may be what you or some other person comes here to do..I'm simply indicating that I have no interest, because it's not an open question as far as I'm concerned.  

THIS is the appropriate place for such debates, and such debates must transpire if we are to move forward as a people.

Isn't it interesting that those debates can only happen where there is no theist hegemony?  Where there is...you'll get burned (literally) or banned.  Yet another example of why the world would be better in their absence.  

Where else might these debates transpire? Christian forums? No. Those people are too cowardly to invite rigorous questioning into their midst. Philosophy forums? Well, if you ever want to post a question on a philosophy forum, you'd better know your Hegel... or (at the very least) be a pretentious enough cunt to think your knowledge of Hegel will answer the question of God's existence.

exactly

So where else might we have the debate over God's existence? On college campuses, certainly. But we're talking about online places here.

Wherever you like, if you ask me...I just don't consider them to be legitimate debates.  I'm a gnostic atheist, in addition to an antitheist, member?  May as well debate the existence of oxygen, as far as I'm concerned.  

HERE: that is the place to have the debate over whether God exists. And until Tibs or the majority of staff proclaims otherwise, I say it is entirely useful for this debate to continue on these forums.

You forget that there are critical thinking theists out there who are atheists in every regard but they were cursed with white trash parents. THEY don't want to join a forum where everything is monotone; everyone agrees that Yahweh is a myth. THEY want to explore an ongoing discussion of God's existence and relevance. This forum should be a place for THEM too. Not just you.

Good for them.  This forum exists.....but it doesn't change my opinion of whether or not the forums or the world would be a better place if there were no theists.

Look at MK up there. He thinks I don't believe in fairies..because I'm a racist...bless his heart...lol. He's babbling about a final messenger when there was no -first- messenger. That's theism for you.

In your estimation..do we need more or less of that sort of shit? Would the world be worse..or better off...in the absence of theists?

[vulcanlogician]

Look at MK up there.  He thinks I don't believe in fairies..because I'm a racist...bless his heart...lol.   He's babbling about a final messenger when there was no -first- messenger.  That's theism for you.  

In your estimation..do we need more or less of that sort of shit?  Would the world be worse..or better off...in the absence of theists?

Awesome complex question there. Do you consider the bolded part of the above quote to be a departure from logic or not?

[The Grand Nudger]

Um, not?  

I'm asking you about loon shit.  It's loon shit that directly follows from his theism.  He's not doing it wrong.  If a person who is an identical theist disagrees with him....it's because they're less faithful than he is, lol.

Commonly and notably, a persons decency has an inverse relationship with their religiosity. Again, I'm an antitheist. I don't think that the problems he typifies are limited to his god...I think that they are shared characteristsics with all god belief. Imagine a sanitized god. Completely sanitized. Even -that- god won't leave me with nothing meaningful critical to say.

The idea is not only wrong, it's uniformly harmful. This is why the world would be better off without theists. Theism can't even exist without producing people like himself.....and he's hardly the worst example.

[Mystic]

Um, not?  

I'm asking you about loon shit.  It's loon shit that directly follows from his theism.  He's not doing it wrong.  If a person who is an identical theist disagrees with him....it's because they're less faithful than he is, lol.

Commonly and notably, a persons decency has a converse relationship with their religiosity.

Can you explain how you don't measure people according to relativity to the truth you believe?

Maybe you just project "bad" to a more religious person because you associate it with evil.

And you prove the Torah's Thesis to be correct, your envy and hate towards the truth and it's guides, the chosen leaders, stems that God accepts from those who guard and rejects actions from anyone else.

Holding to God's Names is a requirement for actions to have meaning, because otherwise mixing truth with falsehood, good with evil, and mixing everything up, is a huge injustice and evil.

The proper balance starts with seeing there is nothing to be valued with the level of love and value as God, and then recognizing the means to him or actually, these usually go together and happen synonymously.

You hate the Lord of the Worlds, and deny the inward world, and it's reality, to deny the reality of goodness being linked to God, all so you can get away from God's chosen ones who you envy and wish they don't exist, but that won't make their sayings go away nor the book that proves them disappear, nor the holy scriptures of the past will no longer be a guidance through just cheap words to do away with the reality.

[vulcanlogician]

No. MK is but one theist. I like MK as a human being, but I disagree with his religious views, and I recognize that he is inexpert with logic. So what? That describes "Catholic me" when I was younger. Maybe MK's logic will improve. Especially if more people point out its flaws. Thus, in the end, good has been attained by MK trying at his logic on the forum, whether any particular post from MK is good or not.

I guess I have to remind you that MK isn't the only theist in the world. Stop holding him up as some kind of exemplar. That's stupid. I mean, Khem, you are better than a tactic like that. (Meh. I guess even Bobby Fischer went Bxh2 sometimes, but still.)

A significant number of theists are very skilled with logic and can offer a lot of substance to debates. And a significant number of theists (I'd estimate around 30%) are genuinely committed to peace and morality. In this world, THAT FUCKING COUNTS FOR SOMETHING!

But you aren't really thinking. You are sharp and perceptive, Khem, but your disdain for theists has led you to illogic.