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RE: Saudi journalist killed and hacked inside Saudi embassy in Istanbul
November 19, 2018 at 9:23 am
Larger forces are at work, here, Atlas. Trump's sticking with the Saudi's has the superficial appeal of benefitting the U.S. in terms of military sales, oil, and containing the aims and intents of a dangerous Muslim state (Iran). Whether or not doing so will actually achieve these aims or whether Trump even thinks that they will is irrelevant. These themes sell well to Trump's political base and improve his chances both of achieving things while in office as well as being re-elected in 2020. It's not about human rights or truth or anything noble. It's not even about Saudi Arabia. It's about Trump, and how he can use a relationship with Saudi Arabia to his advantage. So crying about human rights, or the truth, or about Saudi Arabia, in hopes that it will result in a change of policy in the U.S. and the Trump administration is misguided.
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RE: Saudi journalist killed and hacked inside Saudi embassy in Istanbul
November 21, 2018 at 3:37 am
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November 21, 2018 at 10:26 am
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Yup. Murrica First. This admin has indicated that they're willing to turn a blind eye and abandon our place on the world stage as a country committed to the values of western democracy, for a price. That's what it looks like, Atlass, when america doesn't "meddle" in other countries affairs.
Good luck with that, aren't you happy that you're getting what you've always wanted! 
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Saudi journalist killed and hacked inside Saudi embassy in Istanbul
November 21, 2018 at 11:53 am
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(November 21, 2018 at 10:26 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: Yup. Murrica First. This admin has indicated that they're willing to turn a blind eye and abandon our place on the world stage as a country committed to the values of western democracy, for a price. That's what it looks like, Atlass, when america doesn't "meddle" in other countries affairs.
Good luck with that, aren't you happy that you're getting what you've always wanted!
Trump is not turning a blind eye at this point; he's abandoning ship.
The weapon deals to supply the kingdom with arsenals of military high-tech has nothing to do with "turning a blind eye".
"Turning a blind eye" is what America have been doing for decades of seeing the crimes of the Sauds but keep on supplying them with everything from weapons to intelligence reports.
But in the time of previous administrations, the "blindness" was for America's sake and interests, but in Trump's time it's for personal gains and the gains of the real masters of this asshole: the Oligarchs in the U.S, Russia and who knows where also.
TBH, it's more of a lighter burning the hand of Americans; getting chopped by the monster they inflated for so long, America had a very long time to build a system that punishes corrupt fucks like Trump and the Sauds, but the blind "following of interest" blinded the majority of politicians in the white house from standing by the side of justice.
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November 21, 2018 at 11:57 am
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I know that the truth of any given matter is wholly immaterial to your great satan compulsion..but, yes, turning a blind eye to the shitty things that other countries do is exactly what's happening. There's money to be had, not nearly as much as scrotus says..but still. Yes, we did have a long time to build such a system, and we did build it. We lead it. Now, we're abandoning it.
Nothing to do with us, that's a you problem. GL with your you problem, murrica first. You know -why- this resonated with so many trumpsters? Because we're damned if we do and damned if we don't. Think about that, think about the support your viewpoint gave trump, lol. Whole world full of ungrateful pricks and then they get all pissy when we finally throw our hands up and say "fuck it, you do you, then".....lelz.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Saudi journalist killed and hacked inside Saudi embassy in Istanbul
November 21, 2018 at 12:38 pm
(November 21, 2018 at 11:57 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: I know that the truth of any given matter is wholly immaterial to your great satan compulsion..but, yes, turning a blind eye to the shitty things that other countries do is exactly what's happening. There's money to be had, not nearly as much as scrotus says..but still. Yes, we did have a long time to build such a system, and we did build it. We lead it. Now, we're abandoning it.
Nothing to do with us, that's a you problem. GL with your you problem, murrica first. You know -why- this resonated with so many trumpsters? Because we're damned if we do and damned if we don't. Think about that, think about the support your viewpoint gave trump, lol. Whole world full of ungrateful pricks and then they get all pissy when we finally throw our hands up and say "fuck it, you do you, then".....lelz.
I would like to give you a friend's advice concerning your use of the word "we" to describe what the U.S government at this time.
There is no we; but lots of "they". America has never been more divided than this, and all the problems we see now match what falling empires go through at the very end.
You see, the warfare between the democrats and the republicans have never been more fierce. Also the rise of the Oligarchs is very scary, the use of savage tactics like populism to rule is even more evident that the scene is changing.
Let Satan rot for now; we very much know that the case of Kashoggi has nothing to do with human rights or Kashoggi himself: it's all about a "punch to the groin" launched from the wing of Hilary and Obama to the wing of Trump; or in more abstract words: an attack from "the military industrial complex" to the "Oligarchs".
All of this Kashoggi case is one way to launch an impeachment against Trump, justifying it; in other words.
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RE: Saudi journalist killed and hacked inside Saudi embassy in Istanbul
November 21, 2018 at 12:52 pm
If you say so..... 
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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