What is your stance on magic fellow atheists ?

[tahaadi]

I'd have to know what magic or supernatural means. Outside the realm of fantasy, they don’t seem to make much sense.

It sounds like you had an experience you can’t explain. I don’t see how it’s more than that?

Yes thanks.
I agree.
Many supernatural phenomenas in past are now natural.

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So there was a cause for it that you are unable to explain.

Doesn't mean to say that it is unexplainable.

Yes accurate.
And it doesn’t means god exists as well.
I don’t know why people associate unexplained events with magic, religion and god.
Weakness of human mind, I guess.

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we get an explanation in ten years, is it both supernatural and natural?

No it is natural in first place.

[Reltzik]

All that would take is a prank-inclined sibling or parent with a bit of "invisible" string (usually transparent nylon). Standard kit for any stage magician.

It's one thing to say "I don't understand how it happened and it freaked me out." That's fine. It's even kinda okay to say "I don't know how this happened and I can't see how to rule out magic or the supernatural." That's okay too. But determining it must be supernatural requires ruling out the natural, and that's pretty dang hard to do.

[FatAndFaithless]

Also, assuming you're 100% accurately relaying the situation and can't possibly be wrong about what you perceived/how you remember it is just silly. There could've been something you misinterpreted, or simply forgot, or confabulated. It happens all the time with even the most mundane memories and experiences - human memories are notoriously shitty, especially when it's one person remembering something without any corroborating witnesses or evidence. For a supernatural or 'magic' experience, we're going to need a bit more than "I remember it this way and can't possibly be wrong."

[Gawdzilla Sama]

When invoking Clarke it is good to remember that, after some face-palming, he made it plain that he did NOT believe magic existed. Just sayin'.

[I_am_not_mafia]

All that would take is a prank-inclined sibling or parent with a bit of "invisible" string (usually transparent nylon).  Standard kit for any stage magician.

It's one thing to say "I don't understand how it happened and it freaked me out."  That's fine.  It's even kinda okay to say "I don't know how this happened and I can't see how to rule out magic or the supernatural."  That's okay too.  But determining it must be supernatural requires ruling out the natural, and that's pretty dang hard to do.

Exactly. I was asked about a similar ghostly experience fro a cousin, and his brother also witness the event.

Apparently a knob on a radio turned itself on by itself and because they couldn't see any normal way it could have happened then it had to be a ghost.

What they don't realise is that this isn't the simplest explanation.

If it was a ghost then where did it get the energy from? Because to interact with the world you need energy. This is why we eat food and robots have batteries. What powers a ghost?

If it doesn't have a material form then how can its energy continue as a persistent pattern? How was it intelligent enough to turn the knob in a directed manner if it doesn't have a brain?

And how did it turn the knob without any material body?

Sure you could do this very carefully arranged electromagnetic fields but then what generated them?

So when you start to ask these questions, and there are many, many more, you realise that ghost is actually the least simple explanation. Not least because it violates some of the concepts that our modern world is built upon.

[GrandizerII]

I had a supernatural experience in my childhood. I was sitting in room alone, and suddenly switch started to go up and down up and down, light was turning on and off.
I ran out of the room.
I still couldn’t understand this fucking experience.
It was 100% real, because my health was awesome and no hallucinations.

https://www.quora.com/Can-a-basic-lookin...itself-off

[purplepurpose]

Magic might exist, but the problem is that nobody sells mana potions.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Magic might exist, but the problem is that nobody sells mana potions.

I'm thinking of selling mañana potions. That would be the delivery date once the payment clears the bank.

[robvalue]

I'd have to know what magic or supernatural means. Outside the realm of fantasy, they don’t seem to make much sense.

It sounds like you had an experience you can’t explain. I don’t see how it’s more than that?

Yes thanks.
I agree.
Many supernatural phenomenas in past are now natural.

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So there was a cause for it that you are unable to explain.

Doesn't mean to say that it is unexplainable.

Yes accurate.
And it doesn’t means god exists as well.
I don’t know why people associate unexplained events with magic, religion and god.
Weakness of human mind, I guess.

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we get an explanation in ten years, is it both supernatural and natural?

No it is natural in first place.

Sounds like we agree then! Welcome to our world

[OakTree500]

"Real" magic doesn't exist. Only the [awesome] stage show kind of magic.

While I can never 100% write off everything lease (the supernatural in general), I will say that I'm 99.99% sure of this being also total shit, mainly as we have no credible evidence at all. Another one of those "when you think about it" type deals.

For example: Ghosts -
Why do ghosts have clothes on? Did their clothes die as well? How can they walk/sit down, if they go through walls, sitting down would mean falling trough the earth? If they can go through walls, how can they touch/pick things up? Why are there no animal/dinosaur ghosts? The list of stupid questions goes on.

I really don't know why (if it happens at all) your light switch flickered on/off multiple times, but ask yourself a question: Why were you the only person to see it? Why does this not happen in other homes? [Ie if it was some sort of entity, why did it pick your house? A house is just walls + roof, it's not a like a 'Zone' or something] Why doesn't it go to some sort of controlled laboratory and try to make contact, instead of picking a complete random person? Again ,more questions that are totally valid, yet insanely stupid when you think about it.

The short answer would be: despite what you think, you DID imagine it or hallucinate to some degree [Or somebody played a colossal practical joke on you somehow], because thinking otherwise is so unlikely, it's beyond all recognition. More questions would be, why has it only happened once? If it hasn't happened once, get it on crystal clear film or get somebody to check our the light switch in case of electrical/socket faults.