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Melania Trump says Sexual Assault victims shouldn't report unless they have evidence
RE: Melania Trump says Sexual Assault victims shouldn't report unless they have evidence
(October 14, 2018 at 4:18 pm)Joods Wrote:
(October 14, 2018 at 4:16 pm)Mermaid Wrote: Hairs and body fluids are very often not left behind.

That's a claim. Not a fact. Unless you have numbers to back this up, this will continue to be a point of contention here.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/bernice-y...17144.html

This is a pretty good summary of this phenomenon, with some statistics.

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fvsv9410.pdf
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RE: Melania Trump says Sexual Assault victims shouldn't report unless they have evidence
(October 14, 2018 at 4:25 pm)Mermaid Wrote:
(October 14, 2018 at 4:18 pm)Joods Wrote: That's a claim. Not a fact. Unless you have numbers to back this up, this will continue to be a point of contention here.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/bernice-y...17144.html

This is a pretty good summary of this phenomenon, with some statistics.

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fvsv9410.pdf

Your second link does not address "evidence" at all. The following was pulled from the PDF and explains the "highlights" of the report: 


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HIGHLIGHTS 
 From 1995 to 2010, the estimated annual rate of female rape or sexual assault victimizations declined 58%, from 5.0 victimizations per 1,000 females age 12 or older to 2.1 per 1,000.

 In 2005-10, females who were age 34 or younger, who lived in lower income households, and who lived in rural areas experienced some of the highest rates of sexual violence.

 In 2005-10, 78% of sexual violence involved an off ender who was a family member, intimate partner, friend, or acquaintance.

 In 2005-10, the off ender was armed with a gun, knife, or other weapon in 11% of rape or sexual assault victimizations.

 The percentage of rape or sexual assault victimizations reported to police increased to a high of 59% in 2003 before declining to 32% in 2009 and 2010.

 The percentage of females who were injured during a rape or sexual assault and received some type of treatment for their injuries increased from 26% in 1994-98 to 35% in 2005-10.

 In 2005-10, about 80% of female rape or sexual assault victims treated for injuries received care in a hospital, doctor’s offi ce, or emergency room, compared to 65% in 1994-98.

 In 2005-10, about 1 in 4 (23%) rape or sexual assault victims received help or advice from a victim service agency


As for the first link: There's a misleading issue with the article. All along, you have stated the claim that there is "often no evidence" with sexual assault. But what you are not taking into consideration is that according to the story in that link, two thirds of rapes and sexual assaults go on unreported. That's 66%. A pretty high number, which again, hardly backs up your claim. It is literally impossible to collect evidence for something that the victim doesn't report. For anyone wishing to quote mine this in the future, I am not saying that victims are wrong for not reporting. But for the purposes of Mermaids claim, I'm looking at the links provided, in order to have this discussion.

People don't report for a variety of reasons, of which there is a chart in your second link. Nowhere does it state in that chart that the reason for not reporting was due to a lack of evidence. 

I am not trying to argue with you either, Mermaid. I just think it's important to not dismiss Capn when he refutes your claims because you didn't provide anything for us to look at to determine whether or not your claim was a fact. 
I'm a rape survivor as well as a survivor from child sexual assault. I know how sensitive a subject this is. But I was like the 66% in that I didn't report. If I had, perhaps they might have found evidence. But to assume that they wouldn't find any is just not realistic.
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(November 14, 2018 at 8:57 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Have a good day at work.  If we ever meet in a professional setting, let me answer your question now.  Yes, I DO want fries with that.
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RE: Melania Trump says Sexual Assault victims shouldn't report unless they have evidence
I think you are misunderstanding me, Joods. I am not assuming anything. Everyone and every case is different.
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RE: Melania Trump says Sexual Assault victims shouldn't report unless they have evidence
(October 13, 2018 at 3:58 pm)Mermaid Wrote:
(October 13, 2018 at 10:56 am)CapnAwesome Wrote: I'm late to the thread, but I don't really see what's controversial about what she said. I mean, are we to start throwing people in jail without evidence? Since when did Atheists become so anti-evidence.

1) She urged people not to report to authorities if they don't have evidence. That's very different than throwing someone in jail. 
2) She's the FLOTUS, in a position of large influence, and underreporting of sexual assault is a huge problem. This directive isn't helping.
3) Sexual assaults quite often have almost no evidence, or no evidence at all. 
4) I am unsure how that makes atheists "anti" evidence.
bold mine

(October 14, 2018 at 6:38 pm)Mermaid Wrote: I think you are misunderstanding me, Joods. I am not assuming anything. Everyone and every case is different.

Really? Is #3 not your claim? That's assuming an awful lot without proper statistics to back it up.
Disclaimer: I am only responsible for what I say, not what you choose to understand. 
(November 14, 2018 at 8:57 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Have a good day at work.  If we ever meet in a professional setting, let me answer your question now.  Yes, I DO want fries with that.
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RE: Melania Trump says Sexual Assault victims shouldn't report unless they have evidence
FWOTUS would be more appropriare, surely.

Playing Cluedo with my mum while I was at Uni:

"You did WHAT?  With WHO?  WHERE???"
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RE: Melania Trump says Sexual Assault victims shouldn't report unless they have evidence
(October 13, 2018 at 11:05 am)Joods Wrote:
(October 13, 2018 at 10:59 am)CapnAwesome Wrote: Lol, it's funny how the left and right Willy nilly switch positions on this depending on circumstances. When Clinton was being impeached morality was super important to the right and the left made your exact same argument. Now it's switched and whenever the next Democrat in power has imperft morality it switches back.


Right. But I don't know what she means really. Her English isn't that good. You could read into it lots of things. Personally I'd be surprised if that was her intent. Unsurprisingly divinity read into it the most negative way possible.

I was going to mention that English isn't her first language but thought better of it. She's definitely her own woman, Melania, is and has taken a stand against her husband more than once.

She's definitely goading Dumbfuck into divorcing her. It's the only way she'll get any money (assuming that is that Dumbfuck isn't still worth -€339m).
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RE: Melania Trump says Sexual Assault victims shouldn't report unless they have evidence
(October 15, 2018 at 2:12 pm)Wololo Wrote:
(October 13, 2018 at 11:05 am)Joods Wrote: I was going to mention that English isn't her first language but thought better of it. She's definitely her own woman, Melania, is and has taken a stand against her husband more than once.

She's definitely goading Dumbfuck into divorcing her.  It's the only way she'll get any money (assuming that is that Dumbfuck isn't still worth -€339m).

Don't forget the child they share. He's well under the age of 18 so there's always child support.
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(November 14, 2018 at 8:57 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Have a good day at work.  If we ever meet in a professional setting, let me answer your question now.  Yes, I DO want fries with that.
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