Melania Trump says Sexual Assault victims shouldn't report unless they have evidence

[RoadRunner79]

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/10/09/polit...index.html

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Ok... what’s your evidence for these claims?

I have little doubt that Dr. Ford remembered who, in fact, assaulted her, likely, having seen his face in the news and on the Internet over the past years and decades.  Now, if she had said that she had been abducted by space aliens, taken to their home-world to be made their queen, only to escape back to Earth via a wormhole that closed on the heels of her captures fleeing after her, then, yes, I would have some grave doubts.

Actually, if it was just recognizing the face after 40 years or so; that would give me serious doubts. You know all those studies on witness identification and all that get brought up about every time we talk about testimony. Actually that was a question I had when she was giving her testimony, was how well she knew these two back then.

[Amarok]

You shouldn’t be really.  I think it’s this is based more on faulty starting assumptions.

That a woman could remember the face of her assailant after 40 years, as compared to 2nd or 3rd-hand accounts that were not written by eyewitnesses to the "event" who lived hundreds to a few thousand miles away from it??

Agreed it's a absurd comparison

[Seraphina]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/10/politics/...index.html

In case you were feeling sorry for the fifty cent whore.  She comes out and says that sexual assault victims should't report unless they have evidence.  I'm sure the conservatives on this board will applaud her 'courage' for stating such a stupid fucking thing.  Telling victims they aren't victims without evidence is such an appalling thing to say.  This is where we get rape culture from.

Isn't supposed to be the job of the police and procecution to find evidence and convince a judge or jury of the guilt of someone. If it's not the job of the accused to prove his innocence, it certainly the job of the victim to prove its guilt.

That makes no sense. How do the police and courts investigate and adjudicate a crime if the victim doesn't report the rape in the first place?
Also, criminal cases are The People vs. (accused rapist) not the victim vs. (accused rapist).

-Teresa

[Jehanne]

I have little doubt that Dr. Ford remembered who, in fact, assaulted her, likely, having seen his face in the news and on the Internet over the past years and decades.  Now, if she had said that she had been abducted by space aliens, taken to their home-world to be made their queen, only to escape back to Earth via a wormhole that closed on the heels of her captures fleeing after her, then, yes, I would have some grave doubts.

Actually, if it was just recognizing the face after 40 years or so; that would give me serious doubts. You know all those studies on witness identification and all that get brought up about every time we talk about testimony. Actually that was a question I had when she was giving her testimony, was how well she knew these two back then.

And, so, you're saying that her claim is one of a mistaken identity?

[RoadRunner79]

Actually, if it was just recognizing the face after 40 years or so; that would give me serious doubts. You know all those studies on witness identification and all that get brought up about every time we talk about testimony. Actually that was a question I had when she was giving her testimony, was how well she knew these two back then.

And, so, you're saying that her claim is one of a mistaken identity?

I don’t know... didn’t get the details on how she knew them. The republican lawyer didn’t seem to ask any tough questions. But if she didn’t know them (as her friend who was suppose to be there didn’t) I think that these types of studies would apply.

[LadyForCamus]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/10/politics/...index.html

In case you were feeling sorry for the fifty cent whore.  She comes out and says that sexual assault victims should't report unless they have evidence.  I'm sure the conservatives on this board will applaud her 'courage' for stating such a stupid fucking thing.  Telling victims they aren't victims without evidence is such an appalling thing to say.  This is where we get rape culture from.

I don't see what you claim her saying in the article linked.  Is this an accurate quote?  

Also, I don't believe that there is a "rape culture" running rampant in the country.

The president of the United States is contributing to a rape culture right now, by mocking alleged victims in front of large audiences, and perpetuating false narratives about the length of time victims take to come forward.

[epronovost]

Isn't supposed to be the job of the police and procecution to find evidence and convince a judge or jury of the guilt of someone. If it's not the job of the accused to prove his innocence, it certainly the job of the victim to prove its guilt.

That makes no sense. How do the police and courts investigate and adjudicate a crime if the victim doesn't report the rape in the first place?
Also, criminal cases are The People vs. (accused rapist) not the victim vs. (accused rapist).

-Teresa

I just realised I made a pretty big typo . It certainly NOT the job o the victim to prove its (the accused) guilt. A victim doesn't need proofs to make accusation, but the State needs proofs to condamn someone.

[The Valkyrie]

Then perhaps she should convince her moronic pet...I mean "husband"...to put more resources into law enforcement.

And I don't mean white redneck cops who will shoot anyone with a different skin colour. I mean forensic staff who can go through the collected evidence.

I've tead from multiple sources that more than half of rape kits are never processed.

[RoadRunner79]

I don't see what you claim her saying in the article linked.  Is this an accurate quote?  

Also, I don't believe that there is a "rape culture" running rampant in the country.

The president of the United States is contributing to a rape culture right now, by mocking alleged victims in front of large audiences, and perpetuating false narratives about the length of time victims take to come forward.

Do you really interpret that as promoting rape? I think you would be hard pressed to find too many people who condone and support rape. Even probably many rapist know it’s wrong, and I don’t think promote a “rape culture”

It seems though like anymore anyone that doesn’t agree with lynching someone without evidence, is said to be promoting a rape culture. It’s an abuse of language.

However the racist comment below is fine, because of who it’s towards.

[vulcanlogician]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/10/politics/...index.html

In case you were feeling sorry for the fifty cent whore.  She comes out and says that sexual assault victims should't report unless they have evidence.  I'm sure the conservatives on this board will applaud her 'courage' for stating such a stupid fucking thing.  Telling victims they aren't victims without evidence is such an appalling thing to say.  This is where we get rape culture from.

I don't see what you claim her saying in the article linked.  Is this an accurate quote?  

Also, I don't believe that there is a "rape culture" running rampant in the country.

"Rape culture" is a term I don't much like. But the term does refer to a real cultural phenomenon. There is a psychological tendency in humans to want to "deny" the reality of rape when confronted with it it. To recognize that there are such devious and evil individuals among us who are capable of forcing another person to perform sexual acts is something most people are hard-wired not to accept. Notice the bolded "among us"-- no one has a problem thinking that these heinous individuals exist "out there." Sure some thug on the street might be out there raping women. But "not the college dean" and "not our beloved pastor" and "not [insert name here] who we've all known and loved for years." 

When rape happens people often blame the victim as a knee jerk response. Why? People have a hard time handling this shit. But this shit happens. When multiple people have a hard time handling this shit, it happens on a social level. And when something regularly happens on a social level, it could be said to happen on a cultural level. So "rape culture" has become sort of a loaded term, but it is not entirely inaccurate. There is even more to it than what I've said here, but hopefully what I've said in this post is enough to help you see where people are coming from when they use the term.