Beating women in Islam

[The Grand Nudger]

Well ask yourself would you like to be in a relationship, be it professional or family, where someone beats you and smacks you (regularly) when they're not pleased with you? Like let's say your co-worker tells you "Hey Muslim you didn't clean that toilet bowl good enough." and then smacks you across the face?

That's a flawed analogy because the license to beat shouldn't be abused. If I was a woman I wouldn't mind - or at least I would understand - why my husband smacked me for swearing at him or insulting my in-laws. It wouldn't be the end of the world for me because if I was a woman it wouldn't feel strange to be smacked by my husband for doing something that deserves a smack. It would certainly be shocking for the kids to smack their parents even if their parents deserved it, because that is changing the nature of the parent-child relationship. Likewise, for a wife to smack her husband is changing the nature of that relationship. It would be like you kid calling you by your first name. That means your kid no longer consider you his parent and so that relationship has been radically changed. Hope you understand now.

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Also it is not allowed in our Religion to slap anyone in the face

I bet you're real popular with the ladies. Why not the face, though? Hurt her resale value..or?

[onlinebiker]

Wife beater = short temper and even shorter dick.

It's never about "sexist male domination over women". It's about "treating an eye for an eye" or choosing to forgive (just like the OP said): a balance between the two is the best approach.

Denial- not just a river in Egypt.....


We know why you beat women. You' re afraid she' ll leave your smelly, substandard ass for a REAL man.....

You' d probably be happier with men - why not just swing that way - and everybody wins???

[Fake Messiah]

What's wrong with beating your wife if she gets out of line? The concept is similar to spanking your kids. Beating doesn't mean sending her to the hospital, it just means a smack or two to express your displeasure with her bad attitude

How sexist are you?
You equalize women to children? shame on you if your religion if it is telling you that. 

Yeah, it is frequently hard for a Muslim to see a difference between a child and a woman, especially if he is married to a child:

As of the reference date, 31 July of this year, 1,475 underage foreigners with the marital status "married" were registered in the German Central Register of Foreigners. This resulted in a response from the Federal Ministry of the Interior to a request from the Greens, reported by the newspapers of the Funke media group . The authorities assumed that the number of unreported cases was higher in so-called child marriages .
According to the Home Office, 664 of the married minors come from Syria. Other countries of origin include Afghanistan (157), Iraq (100) and the EU Member States Bulgaria (65), Poland (41), Romania (33) and Greece (32). The 1,152 girls among the married minors formed the much larger group than the boys.

361 married children are younger than 14 years.
https://www.zeit.de/politik/deutschland/...derjaehrig

Also Female Scholar explains the steps to beat your wife under Islam

[ReptilianPeon]

Muhammad's fist wife was a successful businesswoman and yet I consently hear from people how the Jahilyia was such a horrid time for women and the Sahabah treated women so much better. The Ancient Egyptians treated women so nicely and equitably *and then the religions of Abraham come along and make their lives worse, for example. There were multiple female Pharaohs but no female Caliph as far I know. Why?

*As much as a stone/bronze age society could I guess but they had multiple female heads of state (Pharaohs) so women could hold the most powerful position in Egypt. They didn't have religious texts that held women back after all. That's what I'm getting at.

[yragnitup]

Muhammad's fist wife was a successful businesswoman and yet I consently hear from people how the Jahilyia was such a horrid time for women and the Sahabah treated women so much better. The Ancient Egyptians treated women so nicely and equitably *and then the religions of Abraham come along and make their lives worse, for example. There were multiple female Pharaohs but no female Caliph as far I know. Why?

*As much as a stone/bronze age society could I guess but they had multiple female heads of state  (Pharaohs) so women could hold the most powerful position in Egypt. They didn't have religious texts that held women back after all. That's what I'm getting at.

Narrated Abu Bakra:
During the battle of Al-Jamal, Allah benefited me with a Word (I heard from the Prophet). When the Prophet heard the news that the people of the Persia had made the daughter of Khosrau their Queen (ruler), he said, "Never will succeed such a nation as makes a woman their ruler." Sahih al-Bukhari 7099

[WinterHold]

Muhammad's fist wife was a successful businesswoman and yet I consently hear from people how the Jahilyia was such a horrid time for women and the Sahabah treated women so much better. The Ancient Egyptians treated women so nicely and equitably *and then the religions of Abraham come along and make their lives worse, for example. There were multiple female Pharaohs but no female Caliph as far I know. Why?

*As much as a stone/bronze age society could I guess but they had multiple female heads of state  (Pharaohs) so women could hold the most powerful position in Egypt. They didn't have religious texts that held women back after all. That's what I'm getting at.

Arab women before Islam were prohibited from inheriting the father or the husband. Female infants were also buried alive at so many times to escape the shame of having a weak child: since girls are weaker than boys.

Islam demolished all of that and restructured the image of women in the minds of ancient Arabs, from treating them as weak burdens that need to be buried alive to equal human beings.

Ancient Egyptians were different than most societies in so many things; especially in how they treated women. But they weren't perfect as you picture them; and pretty much backward too:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_ancient_Egypt

Women in ancient Egypt had some special rights other women did not have in other comparable societies. They could own property and were legally at court, equal to men. However, Ancient Egypt was a society dominated by men. Women could not have important positions in administration and were also excluded from ruling the country although there are some significant exceptions. Women at the royal court gained their position by the relationship to a male king.[1]

[Angrboda]

"Islam is less bad than this really bad thing, so Islam is okie-fucking-dokie!" You're nothing but a stooge for violent, abusive, and destructive people, Atlas. Largely because you're stupid, ignorant, and crazy. But don't let a little thing like being wrong and being a loathsome apologist for these things stand in your way. Stupid is as stupid does.

[Deesse23]

Arab women before Islam were prohibited from inheriting the father or the husband.

4:11 Allah chargeth you concerning (the provision for) your children: to the male the equivalent of the portion of two females,

And now they get half. Lots of improvement. Praise Allah.

Islam demolished all of that and restructured the image of women in the minds of ancient Arabs, from treating them as weak burdens that need to be buried alive to equal human beings.

2:228 Women who are divorced shall wait, keeping themselves apart, three (monthly) courses. And it is not lawful for them that they should conceal that which Allah hath created in their wombs if they are believers in Allah and the Last Day. And their husbands would do better to take them back in that case if they desire a reconciliation. And they (women) have rights similar to those (of men) over them in kindness, and men are a degree above them. Allah is Mighty, Wise.

2:222 They question thee (O Muhammad) concerning menstruation. Say: It is an illness, so let women alone at such times and go not in unto them till they are cleansed. And when they have purified themselves, then go in unto them as Allah hath enjoined upon you. Truly Allah loveth those who turn unto Him, and loveth those who have a care for cleanness.

2:282 And call two witness from among your men, two witnesses. And if two men be not at hand, then a man and two women,

4:34 Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.

Equal.....my ass.  

[yragnitup]

AtlasS33

Arab women before Islam were prohibited from inheriting the father or the husband.

Khadijatul-Kubra (RA) was born in 566 A.D. at Mecca Mouzama. Her mother's name was Fatima bint Zaid bin Asam and her father was Khuwailid bint Assad, who was the popular chief of 'Quraysh' Tribe. He lead a very good business. He died in the famous battlefield of "Fajar".
Khadijatul-Kubra (RA) belonged to a respectable wealthy family of Mecca Mukarama. She (RA) had first married to Abu Hala (Malik) bin Zararah Tamim. She had 2 children whose names are Hind & Hala. Abu Hala was a very good businessman and therefore she extended him all help to flourish in the business, but he died after few years later.
Khadijatul-Kubra (RA) was married to another merchant called Atiq bin Aidh. She (RA) had a daughter from 2nd husband whose name was Hinda. She could not continue with her second husband and they had separated.
Khadijah (RA) concentrated on promoting her business and she inherited much wealth and many commercial banking houses. She sometimes lent money to reliable "Qurayshi" merchants as a profits having business. When the Carvans returned from their commercial expeditions, the profits were sharing equally. Sometimes she used to hire men to carry merchandise outside Mecca Al-Mukaramama.

http://www.quransearchonline.com/html/bi...jaraz.html

According to a well-known publication ‘Khadijah (pbuh) was born in Makkah in the year 556 CE. Her mother’s name was Fatimah bint Zayd, and her father’s name was Khuwaylid bin Asad. He was a very popular leader among the tribe of Quraysh, and a very prosperous businessman who died while fighting in the famous battle of Fujjar. Khadijah thus grew up in the lap of luxury. All her attention was devoted to the building up the business she inherited from her father. Her astuteness and business ability made her business one of the most widespread businesses among the Quraysh.

https://medium.com/muslim-business-women...cab516091a

[ReptilianPeon]

Arab women before Islam were prohibited from inheriting the father or the husband. Female infants were also buried alive at so many times to escape the shame of having a weak child: since girls are weaker than boys.

Islam demolished all of that and restructured the image of women in the minds of ancient Arabs, from treating them as weak burdens that need to be buried alive to equal human beings.

Where do these claims come from? What's your source? If it's a written source, investigating that source could tell us whether there any biases in it, for example European explorers dismissing indigenous peoples. I don't see why later Arab writers wouldn't have a vested interest in dismissing "pre-Muhammad cultures" in the same way that Europeans looked down on illiterate societies when they went plundering around the globe.

How widespread was burying people alive? If it was as widespread at you appear to suggest, there would a massive gender imbalance (kind of like a country like The Yemen, Iran or Pakistan today, actually) and there would be generations of sexually frustrated men who would be unable to start families. There are easy ways to check the claims you make: just have a look at the burial sites. Do we see mass burial sites for babies? But..oops Saudi has been destroying many historical sites...just like Abdul Wahaab did when he went on his little rampage around Najd. These people don't respect history!

Are you suggesting every single Arab tribe, each with their individual cultures and religions (some of which would be Judaism and Christianity), buried people alive? I can perfectly understand the nomadic lifestyle viewing older persons as a burden but I keep being told by people that Mecca was this huge city that was a hub for trade (despite it not being anywhere near any major trade routes or natural resources that were needed at the time).

The lifestyle of somebody living in a settlement, like Mecca or Media is completely different from that of a nomad.