Beating women in Islam

[The Grand Nudger]

Well ask yourself would you like to be in a relationship, be it professional or family, where someone beats you and smacks you (regularly) when they're not pleased with you? Like let's say your co-worker tells you "Hey Muslim you didn't clean that toilet bowl good enough." and then smacks you across the face?

That's a flawed analogy because the license to beat shouldn't be abused. If I was a woman I wouldn't mind - or at least I would understand - why my husband smacked me for swearing at him or insulting my in-laws. It wouldn't be the end of the world for me because if I was a woman it wouldn't feel strange to be smacked by my husband for doing something that deserves a smack. It would certainly be shocking for the kids to smack their parents even if their parents deserved it, because that is changing the nature of the parent-child relationship. Likewise, for a wife to smack her husband is changing the nature of that relationship. It would be like you kid calling you by your first name. That means your kid no longer consider you his parent and so that relationship has been radically changed. Hope you understand now.

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Also it is not allowed in our Religion to slap anyone in the face

I bet you're real popular with the ladies. Why not the face, though? Hurt her resale value..or?

[onlinebiker]

Wife beater = short temper and even shorter dick.

It's never about "sexist male domination over women". It's about "treating an eye for an eye" or choosing to forgive (just like the OP said): a balance between the two is the best approach.

Denial- not just a river in Egypt.....


We know why you beat women. You' re afraid she' ll leave your smelly, substandard ass for a REAL man.....

You' d probably be happier with men - why not just swing that way - and everybody wins???

[Fake Messiah]

[ReptilianPeon]

Muhammad's fist wife was a successful businesswoman and yet I consently hear from people how the Jahilyia was such a horrid time for women and the Sahabah treated women so much better. The Ancient Egyptians treated women so nicely and equitably *and then the religions of Abraham come along and make their lives worse, for example. There were multiple female Pharaohs but no female Caliph as far I know. Why?

*As much as a stone/bronze age society could I guess but they had multiple female heads of state (Pharaohs) so women could hold the most powerful position in Egypt. They didn't have religious texts that held women back after all. That's what I'm getting at.

[yragnitup]

Muhammad's fist wife was a successful businesswoman and yet I consently hear from people how the Jahilyia was such a horrid time for women and the Sahabah treated women so much better. The Ancient Egyptians treated women so nicely and equitably *and then the religions of Abraham come along and make their lives worse, for example. There were multiple female Pharaohs but no female Caliph as far I know. Why?

*As much as a stone/bronze age society could I guess but they had multiple female heads of state  (Pharaohs) so women could hold the most powerful position in Egypt. They didn't have religious texts that held women back after all. That's what I'm getting at.

Narrated Abu Bakra:
During the battle of Al-Jamal, Allah benefited me with a Word (I heard from the Prophet). When the Prophet heard the news that the people of the Persia had made the daughter of Khosrau their Queen (ruler), he said, "Never will succeed such a nation as makes a woman their ruler." Sahih al-Bukhari 7099

[WinterHold]

[Angrboda]

"Islam is less bad than this really bad thing, so Islam is okie-fucking-dokie!" You're nothing but a stooge for violent, abusive, and destructive people, Atlas. Largely because you're stupid, ignorant, and crazy. But don't let a little thing like being wrong and being a loathsome apologist for these things stand in your way. Stupid is as stupid does.

[Deesse23]

Arab women before Islam were prohibited from inheriting the father or the husband.

4:11 Allah chargeth you concerning (the provision for) your children: to the male the equivalent of the portion of two females,

And now they get half. Lots of improvement. Praise Allah.

Islam demolished all of that and restructured the image of women in the minds of ancient Arabs, from treating them as weak burdens that need to be buried alive to equal human beings.

2:228 Women who are divorced shall wait, keeping themselves apart, three (monthly) courses. And it is not lawful for them that they should conceal that which Allah hath created in their wombs if they are believers in Allah and the Last Day. And their husbands would do better to take them back in that case if they desire a reconciliation. And they (women) have rights similar to those (of men) over them in kindness, and men are a degree above them. Allah is Mighty, Wise.

2:222 They question thee (O Muhammad) concerning menstruation. Say: It is an illness, so let women alone at such times and go not in unto them till they are cleansed. And when they have purified themselves, then go in unto them as Allah hath enjoined upon you. Truly Allah loveth those who turn unto Him, and loveth those who have a care for cleanness.

2:282 And call two witness from among your men, two witnesses. And if two men be not at hand, then a man and two women,

4:34 Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.

Equal.....my ass.  

[yragnitup]

[ReptilianPeon]