Beating women in Islam

[Brian37]

No no no no..... This is the same bait and switch right wing Christians use.

"Uplift" means to treat like expensive property, not equal human beings. You may not personally view it now that way, but in antiquity that was the social norm. Females BACK THEN were PROPERTY, not human beings. 

Women in America have had a longer history bucking this bullshit, although you wouldn't know it with our current news headlines.

Skip the holy book. Skip any holy book for that matter.

Females are EQUAL TO MEN. You don't beat them for the same reason two men need to learn to settle their differences without violence. BECAUSE THEY ARE HUMANS.

Women ARE capable of leading, in politics and even being the breadwinner of the family. Women do not need men telling them what to do or how to behave based on the patriarchal mythology of antiquity. 

The reason women in Saudi Arabia are getting assaulted for driving now is the same fucking religious bullshit white Christian men used for excuses for beating up Susan B Anthony for fighting for women's right to vote here.

I beat men who beat me without any shame.
Why would a woman cheat the same treatment? My bad is to inflict more damage on her than what she did to me, but if she is really equal, then she should also be punished like a man.

Yea and that is the fucking problem.

You like far too many men in the world don't get it.

Self defense does not need a religious excuse. And one man can be smaller than another man too. 

And as far as punishing infidelity using religion, that is bullshit too. The sex is not the issue, the LYING IS. Nobody likes to be lied to. In the west when someone "cheats" on their spouse, we don't allow abuse or murder as an excuse. We can and do sue them in civil court sure, that is what divorce courts do. 

Outside of sex, I have been myself beaten up by females. Not in relationships mind you, just growing up running into physically stronger females. But I have been also beaten up by far more bigger bully boys/men. 

(EDIT) I actually was physically abused by a former girlfriend a long time ago too. She used to hit me when she thought I was flirting with other females. I never did, but even if I was, her only civil response should have been, "If you don't stop doing that, I will leave you." Not hitting me. Jealousy is not love, much less physical abuse. 

If a relationship is not working, the best thing to do is walk away, not get revenge. 

The key even between men, when you get offended is to respond with words only, or walk away. 

Far too much of humanity is quicker to violence than we are to thinking. 

Like I said, fuck gender roles, fuck religion. Civility is harder for most humans than violence is.

[Deesse23]

It sure is. Lets have a look at your opening post.
Who wrote the Quran? Who made this rule? Who is so immoral to allow men to beat their wifes (even if its only in theory) instead of saying "dont fucking beat your wifes. ever". Who is responsible for this atrocity?

No, I'm speaking in this topic about why such a sentence exist in its pages.
not about if this is a good or a bad sentence.

But i do: Do you think its ok to beat your wife? As is written:

As for women of whom you fear rebellion, admonish them, and remain apart from them in beds, and beat them.

Again: I'm speaking why such a sentence exist, not about this sentence being good or bad.

So you arent even questioning if its ok to beat your wife? You never wasted a thought about it?
Like Brian said: Even if she tries to beat you....you could decide to be better than that and not strike back. Do you ever waste thoughts on being better than ancient, barbarian rules like "eye for an eye"? Or is an order by your god good enough for you?

In other words; your judgement on God doesn't concern me.
And doesn't concern my OP.

So you take your gods proclaimations at face value? Like:

As for women of whom you fear rebellion, admonish them, and remain apart from them in beds, and beat them.

I am impressed.........not.

But the title of the topic is
RE: Beating women in Islam

Yes and i said its immoral. And you are unable to admit to this. You refuse to *judge* this order. You refuse to talk about his. You refuse to think about this. You even take pride in not questioning your gods proclamations that its ok to beat your wife. Thats what you let your religion do to you.

You, and your god, are morally bancrupt, and the fact that you dont give a shit    doesnt change the fact that both of you are moral monsters, it just makes it worse and very transparent for all to read.

P.S.: By the way: the verses are obviosuly writen so badly, that you (and other deluded members of your religion) have to re-interpret them over and over, and cant even agree on what it means. For a book that is supposed to be written by an entity so intellectually superior to a human being, the writing of your god clearly sucks. He cant make a clear point about basic human behaviour. Hes an idiot and wouldnt pass and basic writing exam in school and utterly fail as a parent. If i had to give out rules about beating, or beating back your wifes, but not beating them....i would be much, much clearer.

But of course you dont care.....like the good, mindless drone you are.

[paulpablo]

Everyone has had/will have fears of things that haven't happened yet. And yes paranoid irrational men exist.
So it's probably not a good idea to give husbands the right to admonish or hit women based on if they fear rebellion.

Not everyone. Since paranoid irrational men exist; then you said it yourself: no matter how a law is fair, there exists humans who can break it.
When fearing rebellion is three levels; but a man always interpret any action of being "a third degree rebellion"; then it is the problem of that man and the problem of his psychological state.

I have problems with your remark because always, always a portion of the people will use laws to satisfy their needs; let it be evil or good needs.

So how come Islam has to pay for the dishonesty and psychological issues some humans have?

I don't know a single human male or female who hasn't had some kind of fear of something that never happened and I'd say I probably don't know anyone who didn't have an irrational fear.

Islam doesn't have to pay, I'm just pointing out a fact that the Qur'an has a rule which allows men's fears to dictate punishment for women. That's just a fact that's written right there in black and white.

[Fake Messiah]

What do you know. When you listen to actual Muslim women those Koran verses don't look that progressive and sophisticated when put in action, as some of the Muslim guys here would lead us to believe. In fact Muslim women even call whole Islamic religion misogynist because it brainwashes women to think they are inferior and that they should disavow all joys of life.

[WinterHold]

What do you know. When you listen to actual Muslim women those Koran verses don't look that progressive and sophisticated when put in action, as some of the Muslim guys here would lead us to believe. In fact Muslim women even call whole Islamic religion misogynist because it brainwashes women to think they are inferior and that they should disavow all joys of life.

I wouldn't say "Muslims women" because that is an ambiguous generalization. Rather, I would say "some Muslim women" or "a number of Muslim women".

Second thing is the brainwashing. If I used this word in any place, I'll get laughs and accusations of me being a "conspiracy theorist"..so why shouldn't I use the same tactic against you?

[The Grand Nudger]

Still trying to make domestic abuse great again, I see.  Fight the good fight, I'm sure it'll amount to something if you stick with it!

[WinterHold]

Still trying to make domestic abuse great again, I see.  Fight the good fight, I'm sure it'll amount to something if you stick with it!

And you still try to make "an eye for an eye" to equal "domestic abuse". Good luck also; and I advice you to read the OP.

[SaStrike]

You can beat your women but don't beat your meat

[Fake Messiah]

You can beat your women but don't beat your meat

Yeah, AtlasS33 and MysticKnight feign as if they are so refined by their religion and that it's our fault that we don't interpret violent verses from Koran as well as verses that demean women as something positive and then they get up from their computers and yell at 9 year old girls for not wearing hijab and subdue them into feeling bad about themselves like these Muslim parents

[Fake Messiah]

Muslim men attacking a woman because she doesn't wear hijab





I just wonder why do they have batons in their hands since, according to Muslims on this forum, they are not allows to beat women? Maybe to scare her? But how are they going to scare her if she knows Koran forbids them to beat her?