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 (February 18, 2011 at 8:52 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote: If you were born in India you would be trying to convince me that Hinduism is the truth, and you would hate Islam. I doubt it, not to mention that Islam is the second largest religion in India. Besides, how can a statue be divine if it easily breaks into pieces after falling onto the floor? 
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February 19, 2011 at 9:26 am
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Quote:Besides, how can a statue be divine if it easily breaks into pieces after falling onto the floor?That is just muslim's silly understanding about pagan god statues.. They don't believe the statue is divine but it represents a divine being. And you are not so different.. You believe hacer-ul esved is a divine stone from the heaven(the thing that looks like a giant vagina.) and kissing it, you believe kaba is the house of god etc. ![[Image: hacerul-esved.jpg]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=www.hac.web.tr%2Fimages%2Fhacerul-esved.jpg)
Quote:Many that live deserve death. Some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Frodo? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends. 
Nice bit of art work there annatar...did they steal it from the Guggheim ?
I could be crass and ask which one of muhammads "wives" posed for it but I doubt it was so? "The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
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February 20, 2011 at 8:19 pm
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(February 19, 2011 at 10:10 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Nice bit of art work there annatar...did they steal it from the Guggheim ?Lol. seriously, that stone had been revered by polytheists before islam. And it was really important for people even muhammad couldn't dare to curse it like he did every other symbol of polytheists. I believe that stone and kaaba has something to do with mediterranean goddess Cybele(you can see that it sounds so similar with kaaba, and kiblah) In any case, that stone is a fragment of past beliefs of arabs. Just like moon symbols at the top of the mosques.(For Al-ilah the god of the moon which is now called allah  )
Quote:Many that live deserve death. Some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Frodo? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends.  RE: Convert me if you can
February 20, 2011 at 9:49 pm
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February 21, 2011 at 12:37 am
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"The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
The argument is that Islam is not motheistic... what are you doing with angels???
"The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
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February 21, 2011 at 1:43 pm
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(February 21, 2011 at 7:11 am)Rayaan Wrote: Sorry, then I'll take back what I said about the statues. Not really sure if that is the case. I think it is more than likely a conglomeration of several different tribal deities. Some tribes may have had one deity (be it male or female), others more. Typically religions, in my opinion, usually have one supreme male and one supreme female deities for creators, and then usually some sort of "punisher" deity to torture those who have been bad, went against radition, or waged war against the "true" tribe. Its rare, in my opinion, for a tribe to have a single deity all by itself without angels, demons, devils, saints, god sons and daughters, spirits, etc.. But I emphasise that is merely my opinion, and will not use it as an argument for or against religion. Outside of my opnion..how can Islam claim to be polytheistic when they claim Iblis, Gabriel, Djinn, Efrit, and even deify Mohammad? To me a monotheistic relilgion would not need help meet added to their creator deity. I will also point out that Allah demanded that all of creation and the angels worship Adam and Eve, and Iblis refused. If Allah is so adamant about there only being a single god, why did he command worship of adam and eve? Lets discuss the obvious contradictions in the Quran: Does Allah lead people astray? [yes he does] 17:97-98 As for him whom He sendeth astray, for them thou wilt find no protecting friends beside Him, and We (WE?! Allah is speaking of himself in the plural again. He does that sometimes. Maybe there is more than one Allah?) shall assemble them on the Day of Resurrection on their faces, blind, dumb and deaf; their habitation will be hell; whenever it abateth, We increase the flame for them. That is their reward because they disbelieved Our revelations. (our revelations? How many allahs are there? Also Allah is such a prick saying he will turn up the torture for those he wants to torture more than just regular torturing. Allah the barbarian) [no he doesnt] 9:115 It was never Allah's (part) that He should send a folk astray. ---- Can Allah do anything? [yes he can] 35:1 Praise be to Allah, the Creator of the heavens and the earth, Who appointeth the angels messengers having wings two, three and four. He multiplieth in creation what He will. Lo! Allah is Able to do all things. [no he cant] 6:100-101 Yet they ... impute falsely, without knowledge, sons and daughters unto Him. ... The Originator of the heavens and the earth! How can He have a child? ---- What was man created from? Water And He it is Who hath created man from water... 25:54 Allah hath created every animal of water. 24:45 A Clot In the name of thy Lord Who createth ... man from a clot. 96:1-2 Clay or Mud He it is Who hath created you from clay. 6:2 We created man of potter's clay of black mud altered.... 15:26 He began the creation of man from clay. 32:7 When thy Lord said unto the angels: Lo! I am about to create a mortal out of mire. 38:71 He created man of clay like the potter's. 55:14 Dust He created him of dust, then He said unto him: Be! and he is. 3:59 And of His signs is this: He created you of dust, and behold you human beings, ranging widely! 30:20 Allah created you from dust.... 35:11 A drop of fluid He hath created man from a drop of fluid. 16:4 Nothing Doth not man remember that We created him before, when he was naught? 19:67 ---- Thats good for now. Also notice how Allah refers to himself as "we" every now and then. I guess the "oneness" of god ISNT very pronounced in the quran like our resident muslim keeps suggesting. |
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