Convert me if you can

[Regens Küchl]

Muslims never murdered people on the scale that christians have. This is a terrible comparison.

For example : Christians murdered up to 100 000 000 natives of the new world and the carribean,. This alone is a score that Allahs minions could never hope to reach

Islam has always been a wannabe, copycat religion. It's like a little kid looking up to his hero with wide-eyed adulation saying, "someday, I'm going to be as psychotic, sadistic, ruthless, destructive, bloodthirsty and anti-intellectual as him!"

Whatever! Still your answer shows that you catch my meaning and agree that Islam never spread the quantity of evil christianity did.
So whom would you wish for a companion if you had to choose ? Is it not wiser to accept the little kid, than to share company with the full grown psychotic, sadistic, ruthless, destructive, bloodthirsty, anti-intellectual ?
See what I am getting at? So choose Islam already and even as a critic you can be sure that you have chosen the lesser evil

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

I disagree with your opinion, DeistPaladin, because religion is not a competition of who's going to make a bigger and badder religion. That's not the purpose of religion.

Of course not. That's just how it often seems to non believers as we watch different sets of superstitions fighting for dominance.

[Rayaan]

Of course not. That's just how it often seems to non believers as we watch different sets of superstitions fighting for dominance.

I see your point here, but, also remember that religions can dominate in both violent and non-violent ways.

For Islam, I would say that the latter is a lot more frequent and a powerful method than the former. Most people convert to Islam after learning about the history of Islam, or by reading the Quran, or by learning about the life of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), or by listening to a lecture, etc. I don't think that fighting and killing has done that much of a job for converting people to Islam. So, the peaceful side of Islam is much greater than it's violent side when it comes to the spread of the religion over the years.

[Regens Küchl]

Thanks, I'll take a look at it more thoroughly.

The non-existence of Jesus sinks Islam as well.

I hereby make another approach to succesfully convert Deist Paladin to Islam, which is the one true religion.

This time I do plead the case that Jesus never existed and that this fact does never sink Islam.
Lookeehere for true evidence for the nonexistence of Jesus

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/

A Silence That Screams - (No contemporary historical accounts for "jesus)
http://www.rationalresponders.com/silenc...sus?page=1

Nonexistence of Jesus at first sight seems to discredite the plausibility of Quran, who seems to indicate that there was a Prophet Jesus alive. But really smart islamic apologists could very well come up with something that explains this problem away.
(Different possible islamic approaches on that problem come to my mind right away. Example: Mohammed (blessed be his name) spoke of a hypothetical Jesus who, had he existed like the christians described him, would have been only a Prophet still instead of divine.)

But Nonexistence of Jesus utterly and instantly destroys every legitimacion of christianity! There is no way out as far as I see.

So, under this point of view, Deist Paladin, after you have browsed my sites and seen the evidence we have for No Jesus and regarding the fact that you (r roleplayng self) said that you need religion in your life and you have only to decide between christianity and Islam you surely will see the light and become a muslim. Welcome aboard the battleship of Allah, brother Deist Paladin or rather now Muslim Paladin

Your answer ?

[KichigaiNeko]

Regens Küchl
errrr ...have you read EVERYTHING ON THE
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/
What it has to say about the TRUTH of Islam is Verrrrryyyyy Interesting.

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Of course not. That's just how it often seems to non believers as we watch different sets of superstitions fighting for dominance.

Most people convert to Islam after learning about the history of Islam, or by reading the Quran, or by learning about the life of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), or by listening to a lecture, etc. I don't think that fighting and killing has done that much of a job for converting people to Islam. So, the peaceful side of Islam is much greater than it's violent side when it comes to the spread of the religion over the years.

You aren't serious???

The "spread of Islam" has been a result in the violence of Islam. It doesn't seem any better in it's new country than it was in it's old country the refugees fled.

So it seems to me.....

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

I see your point here, but, also remember that religions can dominate in both violent and non-violent ways.

I've only noticed violence seem to always [eventually] follow whenever religion dominates anywhere..

I'm not happy with any religion being even predominant in any society.Religious belief is a private matter,it most certainly should never be permitted to dominate anything or anyone.

[DeistPaladin]

Your answer ?

Up until now, the arguments for Islam have been massively underwhelming and serve to underscore my point that the religion is little more than "some guy claimed God spoke to him". This argument goes a step further to actually make my point.

Not only does the Koran claim that Jesus was a simple prophet but that he was a miracle worker. He was born of a virgin, grew up to heal the sick and then flew up into the sky after his death. Such a miracle worker should be expected to get some attention, either from the Jews of the time or from the Romans. The fact that we have none undermines both Islam and Christianity.

[Faith No More]

Up until now, the arguments for Islam have been massively underwhelming and serve to underscore my point that the religion is little more than "some guy claimed God spoke to him".

Isn't this the basis for nearly every religion? Every religion is based upon one person who claims to be 'holier' or 'closer to God.' Religion will always be around until people start to realize that no one can speak for any higher power in any form.

[Rayaan]

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/
What it has to say about the TRUTH of Islam is Verrrrryyyyy Interesting.

All it said is that Islam came about as an adaptation of Judeo-Christian theology.

This doesn't mean that the Prophet copied from other religions because (1) there is no historical evidence to support that and (2) having similarities with another religion doesn't have to imply that it's a fabrication and (3) we know that the Prophet would not be able to read the Bible and Torah because he was illiterate.

The "spread of Islam" has been a result in the violence of Islam.

I doubt that a man would be able to instill faith into people's hearts through violence alone.

Like I said earlier, the reason why most people converted to Islam was because of the good character and truthful qualities of the Prophet (pbuh), the miracles that he performed by the will of Allah, and the powerful words and eloquent poetry of the Quran which an illiterate couldn't have written all by himself.

[DeistPaladin]

All it said is that Islam came about as an adaptation of Judeo-Christian theology.

This doesn't mean that the Prophet copied from other religions because (1) there is no historical evidence to support that and

Sufficient similarity would be enough to rule in a court of law were this a plagiarism case. What evidence do you have in mind that would be needed to prove all the similar stories in the Quran were derived from Judeo-Christian mythology?

(2) having similarities with another religion doesn't have to imply that it's a fabrication and

Having similarities with previous religions demonstrates a worldly and simple explanation for where he got his ideas from. The alternative is to suggest the involvement of angels and other supernatural beings. Occam's Razor comes down on the side of cribbed from older religions.

(3) we know that the Prophet would not be able to read the Bible and Torah because he was illiterate.

This does not preclude him hearing the stories and being influenced by them.