Angry Atheists and Anti-Theists

[Bucky Ball]

And you are full of something...
The same stimuli aren't necessarily going to cause the same reaction is different people.  Like your nonsense is the equivalent of piece of chalk falling to the floor, but in your mind you're probably dancing around like you said something important.  I'm feeling *yawn* a sense of disappointment in how you are trying to fluff your argument while you are probably having a dance party in your brain, feeling like you told me something that held weight as an objection.  The point wasn't that we "don't know" where the brain processes things, because we do, but that it didn't invalidate his point.  So your conclusion led to B, which was correct, but not C.

Bla bla bla bla
OF COURSE the same stimuli aren't going to cause the same reaction in different people ... NO ONE SAID THEY WOULD. All the rest of your garbage is irrelevant.
The stimuli ARE processed in the same parts of DIFFERENT brains, and emotion and beliefs ARE not processed in the same parts of the SAME brain.
But thanks for demonstrating your COMPLETE IGNORANCE of Neuro-science ... they DO know which part of brains process different things ... at least people do who didn't go to school in the 1950's.
https://www.health24.com/Mental-Health/B...s-20120721

[tackattack]

Yes. Yes Peebo, atheism is a lack of belief not a belief, and as thus, has yet to inspire anything but apathy. Religion can cause wars, just as hatred of religion can. Just as secular totalitarian atheist regimes can. Wars, death and suffering are caused by violence. Violence can be propped up by whatever cause suits your need. Can an atheist be violent? yes. Can a theist be violent? yes. That was my only point for Simon.
I have no problem saying theism contributed to lots of needless death around the world. I believe secular society has caused more for lots of various reasons. Simon though just made an assertion, without support and I didn't feel it was an equitable analogy.

[Angrboda]

Yes. Yes Peebo, atheism is a lack of belief not a belief, and as thus, has yet to inspire anything but apathy. Religion can cause wars, just as hatred of religion can. Just as secular totalitarian atheist regimes can. Wars, death and suffering are caused by violence. Violence can be propped up by whatever cause suits your need. Can an atheist be violent? yes. Can a theist be violent? yes. That was my only point for Simon.
I have no problem saying theism contributed to lots of needless death around the world. I believe secular society has caused more for lots of various reasons. Simon though just made an assertion, without support and I didn't feel it was an equitable analogy.

And I think the counter-point to that, as I'm sure you are aware, is that secularism and atheism have been associated with killers but not as clearly implicated as the direct motivators of killers like religion has been. A fact I doubt that you are ignorant about. If you feel that secularism or atheism has been a direct motivator of significant killing as secularism/atheism qua secularism/atheism, then I'd like to hear your arguments and examples.

[T0 Th3 M4X]

And you are full of something...
The same stimuli aren't necessarily going to cause the same reaction is different people.  Like your nonsense is the equivalent of piece of chalk falling to the floor, but in your mind you're probably dancing around like you said something important.  I'm feeling *yawn* a sense of disappointment in how you are trying to fluff your argument while you are probably having a dance party in your brain, feeling like you told me something that held weight as an objection.  The point wasn't that we "don't know" where the brain processes things, because we do, but that it didn't invalidate his point.  So your conclusion led to B, which was correct, but not C.

Bla bla bla bla
OF COURSE the same stimuli aren't going to cause the same reaction in different people ... NO ONE SAID THEY WOULD. All the rest of your garbage is irrelevant.
The stimuli ARE processed in the same parts of DIFFERENT brains, and emotion and beliefs ARE not processed in the same parts of the SAME brain.
But thanks for demonstrating your COMPLETE IGNORANCE of Neuro-science ... they DO know which part of brains process different things ... at least people do who didn't go to school in the 1950's.
https://www.health24.com/Mental-Health/B...s-20120721

Since we're talking about "brains" and feelings, here's a chance for you to use your brain and learn.

Temporal lobe: The temporal lobes are found on either side of the brain and just above the ears. The temporal lobes are responsible for hearing, memory, meaning, and language. They also play a role in emotion and learning. The temporal lobes are concerned with interpreting and processing auditory stimuli.

(Oh look, we have a region of the brain controlling logic (memory, meaning, and language, auditory stimuli) and emotion (feelings).)

Frontal lobe:It is concerned with emotions, reasoning, planning, movement, and parts of speech. It is also involved in purposeful acts such as creativity, judgment, and problem solving, and planning

(Again logic and emotion in same region of brain)

Cerebellum: controls your movement, balance, posture, and coordination. New research has also linked it to thinking, novelty, and emotions. The limbic system, often referred to as the "emotional brain", is found buried within the cerebrum.

(What?  Not another region connected to logic (thinking and emotion, + balance)


From Health24

So there you have it, your argument completely blown to smithereens with a reality check.  If you measuring brain activity, how do you suppose you're going to distinguish what is "logic-based" and "feeling-based" if the activity is in the same parts of the brain?  So back to what I said before.  The information is correct that we know what the regions do, but it didn't do a lick of anything towards disproving his statement.  What's really sad is you apparently didn't even read the page you linked, but I'm glad you did since it showed something entirely different than the nonsense you came up with.

As far as your last statement that it was different parts in different brains isn't what the study said either.  It stated they were measuring "belief" and "disbelief".  It's not that they impacted different parts in different brains, but rather the person interpreted something differently.  if you believe "atheism" is logical (belief), then you're going to process it in one area.  If another person associates it with "disbelief" then they're going to use a different part of their brain.  It doesn't change the stimuli, but rather where the interpretation causes activity.  If someone has certainty (belief) in theism and someone has certainty (belief) in atheism, same place.

[LadyForCamus]

Bla bla bla bla
OF COURSE the same stimuli aren't going to cause the same reaction in different people ... NO ONE SAID THEY WOULD. All the rest of your garbage is irrelevant.
The stimuli ARE processed in the same parts of DIFFERENT brains, and emotion and beliefs ARE not processed in the same parts of the SAME brain.
But thanks for demonstrating your COMPLETE IGNORANCE of Neuro-science ... they DO know which part of brains process different things ... at least people do who didn't go to school in the 1950's.
https://www.health24.com/Mental-Health/B...s-20120721

Since we're talking about "brains" and feelings, here's a chance for you to use your brain and learn.

Temporal lobe: The temporal lobes are found on either side of the brain and just above the ears. The temporal lobes are responsible for hearing, memory, meaning, and language. They also play a role in emotion and learning. The temporal lobes are concerned with interpreting and processing auditory stimuli.

(Oh look, we have a region of the brain controlling logic (memory, meaning, and language, auditory stimuli) and emotion (feelings).)

Frontal lobe:It is concerned with emotions, reasoning, planning, movement, and parts of speech. It is also involved in purposeful acts such as creativity, judgment, and problem solving, and planning

(Again logic and emotion in same region of brain)

Cerebellum: controls your movement, balance, posture, and coordination. New research has also linked it to thinking, novelty, and emotions. The limbic system, often referred to as the "emotional brain", is found buried within the cerebrum.

(What?  Not another region connected to logic (thinking and emotion, + balance)


From Health24

So there you have it, your argument completely blown to smithereens with a reality check.  If you measuring brain activity, how do you suppose you're going to distinguish what is "logic-based" and "feeling-based" if the activity is in the same parts of the brain?  So back to what I said before.  The information is correct that we know what the regions do, but it didn't do a lick of anything towards disproving his statement.  What's really sad is you apparently didn't even read the page you linked, but I'm glad you did since it showed something entirely different than the nonsense you came up with.

As far as your last statement that it was different parts in different brains isn't what the study said either.  It stated they were measuring "belief" and "disbelief".  It's not that they impacted different parts in different brains, but rather the person interpreted something differently.  if you believe "atheism" is logical (belief), then you're going to process it in one area.  If another person associates it with "disbelief" then they're going to use a different part of their brain.  It doesn't change the stimuli, but rather where the interpretation causes activity.  If someone has certainty (belief) in theism and someone has certainty (belief) in atheism, same place.

Why are you so pre-occupied with labels?

[T0 Th3 M4X]

Since we're talking about "brains" and feelings, here's a chance for you to use your brain and learn.

Temporal lobe: The temporal lobes are found on either side of the brain and just above the ears. The temporal lobes are responsible for hearing, memory, meaning, and language. They also play a role in emotion and learning. The temporal lobes are concerned with interpreting and processing auditory stimuli.

(Oh look, we have a region of the brain controlling logic (memory, meaning, and language, auditory stimuli) and emotion (feelings).)

Frontal lobe:It is concerned with emotions, reasoning, planning, movement, and parts of speech. It is also involved in purposeful acts such as creativity, judgment, and problem solving, and planning

(Again logic and emotion in same region of brain)

Cerebellum: controls your movement, balance, posture, and coordination. New research has also linked it to thinking, novelty, and emotions. The limbic system, often referred to as the "emotional brain", is found buried within the cerebrum.

(What?  Not another region connected to logic (thinking and emotion, + balance)


From Health24

So there you have it, your argument completely blown to smithereens with a reality check.  If you measuring brain activity, how do you suppose you're going to distinguish what is "logic-based" and "feeling-based" if the activity is in the same parts of the brain?  So back to what I said before.  The information is correct that we know what the regions do, but it didn't do a lick of anything towards disproving his statement.  What's really sad is you apparently didn't even read the page you linked, but I'm glad you did since it showed something entirely different than the nonsense you came up with.

As far as your last statement that it was different parts in different brains isn't what the study said either.  It stated they were measuring "belief" and "disbelief".  It's not that they impacted different parts in different brains, but rather the person interpreted something differently.  if you believe "atheism" is logical (belief), then you're going to process it in one area.  If another person associates it with "disbelief" then they're going to use a different part of their brain.  It doesn't change the stimuli, but rather where the interpretation causes activity.  If someone has certainty (belief) in theism and someone has certainty (belief) in atheism, same place.

Why are you so pre-occupied with labels?

I'm not pre-occupied with labels.  He made a claim that someone else was wrong, then posted something that had really nothing to do with that person being wrong.  Why humor nonsense as reality?  All he had to do was read the title of the scientific study he linked that said exactly what it was studying.

[Agnostico]

Intersting and again varying responses.
Some people justify it. Others claim its not everyone. Some are angry that im questioning their anger.

While others are still getting hung up on labels which was the first thing i tried clarifying on this forum. I repeatedly asked what to call it without a response. "We don't want any labels"
People got emotional when i called it a view or a position as well.
I have to call it something so i'll call it a belief seeing they believe there are no Gods by definition.
Perhaps people would prefer if I called it a feeling.

The man in the video has no problem excusing his own family for bringing him up in a religion. His logic being that they were taught that and don't know any better.
But instead of applying this logic to the rest of the people he goes on to slam everyone else in religion. How irrational can one be?

The same thing happened to me. I didn't say anything but I  resented my parents for raising me as a Catholic. So I was an atheist for a while. Rejecting all claims in any God.
Eventually, emotions eased and logic prevailed. My parents aren't intentionally feeding lies to me. They were taught this and don't know any better. I eventually extended this logic to the ordinary people who are theists. I eventually came to the conclusion that i cannot reject the possibility of some kind of God or creator and vowed to only deal in facts, knowledge and truth instead of feelings and beliefs.

For someone who holds a belief these type of rections are unreasonable and truly savage. He wasn't being personally confronted and shouted at. He wasn't abused, thretened or forced to do anything. The only people he can be angry with are his family and himself. Blaming ordinary people is not fair. Though atheism Im learning is in itself not very fair. Preaching ur beliefs by slandering the beliefs of others isn't at all tolerant.

Vilifying a whole group of people for something that happened before our lifetime like war or slavery is insane. No one can change the past. The fact is that 99% of Christians keep to themselves. They don't force their views on others. They have good morals.

My mum told me how she was waiting to pay for her groceries when a couple began to harass her over a simple crucifix necklace. She asked them to leave her alone but they caused such a scene that she left her shopping trolley in the queue and walked away. What kind of spinless person does this. Criticises an old woman for her necklace at the grocery store... And I bet some people here would justify this. Most won't mention it. While some will continue with the accusations as they are threatened by my skeptical line of questioning.

The dislike of Christianity is well-known and unjustifyably aggressive. The preaching of the atheist belief as being superior to other traditional beliefs lacks credability. Its a reactionary position without foundation, taken only to oppose religion. Atheists don't believe there are gods but also don't believe there are no Gods apparently. This is blatent hypocracy to the most extreme.

[Duty]

I question the motivation behind some atheists. There is a lot of anti theist openly attacking theists. Why? 
And why are they all so angry?

Check out this guy… Why is he so emotional? Where is all this anger and hate coming from???
Is his anger justified? Why? Is this guys argument even logical?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoIo_FUj408

Thanks for reminding me I should be more angry at theists (especially evangelical theists) - I've been slacking off on that recently. Let's see - reasons to be angry at, say, Christianity - well, for starters, there's....no, too tired, it's late. Perhaps you can guess some of the things I'll list when I get back to this one tomorrow.

[Angrboda]

There's never a shortage of things for apologists to be apologetic about. Maybe that should tell you something.

[Duty]

OK so I just watched the video (after my last post) and agree 100 with this dude (I embedded it properly here for you OP since you're clearly too inexperienced with fora/thought to manage it yourself) - Shove a crucifix in an orifice all y'all and repent for your wicked tortuous ignorant proselytising mind rot, in the name of the concept of decency. Like I said, 100. Off to bed now.