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RE: Atheists being asked about the existence of Jesus
January 22, 2019 at 12:09 pm
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(January 22, 2019 at 11:50 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: Explain why you're attempting to certify mythology by folklore, calling it a "first hand account"..lol...the first assertion you made, or I'm just going to leave you here to say more silly shit to everyone else who isn't listening.
I indicated Paul's writings of his encounters with Jesus disciples, his brother, and the various disputes he had with him, are first hand accounts of these things.
Why do I call them first hand accounts? Uhm because they fall under the definition of first hand:
"Definition of firsthand. : obtained by, coming from, or being direct personal observation or experience a firsthand account of the war … had a firsthand view of the turmoil that wracked the region.— William W. Finan, Jr."
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RE: Atheists being asked about the existence of Jesus
January 22, 2019 at 12:14 pm
You're just doubling down on the certification of mythology by reference to folklore, then?
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RE: Atheists being asked about the existence of Jesus
January 22, 2019 at 12:33 pm
(January 22, 2019 at 12:14 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: You're just doubling down on the certification of mythology by reference to folklore, then?
I indicated why I called it a first hand account, by referring to the definition of first hand.
Unless you feel I'm using the definition inappropriately, I'm not sure what you're over here complaining of.
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RE: Atheists being asked about the existence of Jesus
January 22, 2019 at 12:39 pm
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I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Atheists being asked about the existence of Jesus
January 22, 2019 at 12:55 pm
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RE: Atheists being asked about the existence of Jesus
January 22, 2019 at 1:12 pm
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I gave a short summary of what could be said about any meeting with james (whoever that was) from authentic paul (whoever that was). Is there something in it you take issue with, or... have you found a way to use that to certify the mythology of the new testament....?
A mythology not found in authentic paul, in the first place.
I've got a question for you. If I inserted that wiki link to james tabor in the middle of game of thrones..would you have stumbled your way onto these boards to babble at no one about the historicity of dragons? You seem like the type, lol.
Do you have any thoughts on the matter I posted previously, in thread..regarding our observations of establishment legends and their nature or historicity?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Atheists being asked about the existence of Jesus
January 22, 2019 at 1:30 pm
(January 22, 2019 at 1:12 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: I gave a short summary of what could be said about any meeting with james (whoever that was) from authentic paul (whoever that was). Is there something in it you take issue with, or... have you found a way to use that to certify the mythology of the new testament....?
Im not finding this summary? Can you link to it? Or tell me a page or something.
Quote:I've got a question for you. If I inserted that wiki link to james tabor in the middle of game of thrones..would you have stumbled your way onto these boards to babble at no one about the historicity of dragons? You seem like the type, lol.
Do you have any thoughts on the matter I posted previously, in thread..regarding our observations of establishment legends and their nature or historicity?
I don't know much about James tabor or the historicity of dragons, so I have no opinions on this question. Secondly i'm not establishing any legendary or supernatural attribute or event, just the historical existence of person, not that every aspects attributed to that person is historical. No belief in magic required.
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RE: Atheists being asked about the existence of Jesus
January 22, 2019 at 1:32 pm
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Then you aren't certifying the mythology of the new testament by reference to folklore..and since you're looking to certify the mythology of the new testament..this entire diversion into "pauls" "first hand accounts" in folklore is entirely useless to us, as I've already indicated.
If you want to defer to the account of early paul..there was no man jesus, only christ. Magic book isn't about Some Guy named Jesus. It's the legend of paul as he spread the myth of christ. Buddhism has a similar figure.
Next.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Atheists being asked about the existence of Jesus
January 22, 2019 at 2:05 pm
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(January 22, 2019 at 1:32 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Then you aren't certifying the mythology of the new testament by reference to folklore..and since you're looking to certify the mythology of the new testament..this entire diversion into "pauls" "first hand accounts" in folklore is entirely useless to us, as I've already indicated.
If you want to defer to the account of early paul..there was no man jesus, only christ. Magic book isn't about Some Guy named Jesus. It's the legend of paul as he spread the myth of christ. Buddhism has a similar figure.
Next.
I'm still not sure what you're going on about here. I was merely referring to Paul encounters with the disciples and Jesus's brother James, which he wrote about himself.
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RE: Atheists being asked about the existence of Jesus
January 22, 2019 at 3:38 pm
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You did not have the goods you claimed to possess, and possession of those goods....which you don't have, would not speak to the article of contention to which they were leveraged.
You have folklore. Not firsthand accounts. The specific bit of folklore you're referring to concerns the formation of a movement - not the historic status of life of any jesus or christ (or even the historical status of the narrative participants.."paul"..and "james"...).
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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