Christian trigger words

[Jackie]

Do you know how to melt and cast metal into an engine, cast a car body, wire and put an engine in from scratch? No? But I am pretty sure you figured out cars don't run on pixie dust. And I also bet you know how to drive a car knowing driving it doesn't require a unicorn to drive it.

Scientific method is a tool, you don't have to know how to build a house to know what a hammer(tool) is.

Now please don't think your religion is the only religion with followers who pull your argument.

Scientific method does not point to the bible, nor Koran, nor Buddah, Nor Jewish OT, or Hindu Vedas. It is a neutral tool and does not require faith to understand what the tool is.

1. Collect data.
2. Plug into formula(model) with control groups.
3. Test and falsify, repeat with a good sample rate.
4. Formulate conclusions.
5. Hand those conclusions over to independent  peers to test to see if they come to the same conclusions.
6. If they come to the same conclusions, you may be on to something.
7. If they don't, restart, or scrap if it is junk.

^^^^^^^^ I did wright this in English. Can't be that hard to understand.

I also have never played pro football, but I understand the down system, player positions, and penalty and scoring rules.

Not sure what this has to do with my question, but okay.

There's no dispute that the scientific method can be used to ascertain bits of knowledge about things.

Care to answer my question now?  If not, good enough,

Nope, not playing your game. You want to go "AH AH, you don't know anything, so my sky wizard is real."

I was born at night, just not last night. There are 7 billion humans living on this planet, with 10s of thousands of different religions and sub sects of each. Our species is far older than any written religion, or nation. Our planet is 4 billion years old. Our universe is 13.8 billion years old. There is no sky wizard doing any of this, not yours, not any. Our species will go extinct eventually just like 99% of prior life that existed, and eventually our planet and sun will die, and there will be no record of human's existence or their mythologies, which are really nothing more than projections of their own desires. 

We have as a species lived of our current form, of 200,000 years most of that in ignorance, and only around 10,000 years ago did we start writing things down. Now that seems to me a huge waste of time to wait most of that 13.8 billion years, much less 4 billion years, if humans are some special pet for a sky hero to wait most of that time, and even of the 10,000 years most of that in scientific ignorance and still religious tribalism and war. Seems like a pretty shitty way to run a factory if you are all powerful to let your factory workers live like that for so long.

Most humans buy the religions of their parents long before they can formulate adult critical thinking skills. There are on average 50 to 60 million deaths worldwide per year, from everything humans die from. We die in child birth, we die from famine, disease, natural disaster, crime and war. That is an average of half a billion in 10 years and 1 billion deaths every 20 years. Again, seems like a ton of waste to me if God claims he loves us and wants us to be safe and claims he can protect us. What would this alleged sky hero need with 10s of millions, much less billions of friends in a cosmic after party your alleged exists?

And do you really think you are the only apologist of the only religion that tries to debate science? Hate to burst your bubble, but every religion has followers whom, either try to argue their holy writings, or try to attack science, or try to get science to point to their club. 

http://thecenterforappliedjudaism.org/


https://www.islamreligion.com/category/3...oly-quran/

https://www.thoughtco.com/buddhism-and-science-449729

http://www.hinduismfacts.org/hindu-science/

^^^^^^^^

Every religion has follower apologists who love to claim their club is the seat of discovery and morality. 

I say our species morality isn't in old mythology or holy writings or holy people. I say our ability to be cruel or compassionate, and our ability to make discoveries are in our genes, in our evolution and there is no divine power doing that, our species is doing that.

It isn't going to kill you to consider we are finite, and no super cognition is involved.

[T0 Th3 M4X]

Not sure what this has to do with my question, but okay.

There's no dispute that the scientific method can be used to ascertain bits of knowledge about things.

Care to answer my question now?  If not, good enough,

Nope, not playing your game. You want to go "AH AH, you don't know anything, so my sky wizard is real."

I was born at night, just not last night. There are 7 billion humans living on this planet, with 10s of thousands of different religions and sub sects of each. Our species is far older than any written religion, or nation. Our planet is 4 billion years old. Our universe is 13.8 billion years old. There is no sky wizard doing any of this, not yours, not any. Our species will go extinct eventually just like 99% of prior life that existed, and eventually our planet and sun will die, and there will be no record of human's existence or their mythologies, which are really nothing more than projections of their own desires. 

We have as a species lived of our current form, of 200,000 years most of that in ignorance, and only around 10,000 years ago did we start writing things down. Now that seems to me a huge waste of time to wait most of that 13.8 billion years, much less 4 billion years, if humans are some special pet for a sky hero to wait most of that time, and even of the 10,000 years most of that in scientific ignorance and still religious tribalism and war. Seems like a pretty shitty way to run a factory if you are all powerful to let your factory workers live like that for so long.

Most humans buy the religions of their parents long before they can formulate adult critical thinking skills. There are on average 50 to 60 million deaths worldwide per year, from everything humans die from. We die in child birth, we die from famine, disease, natural disaster, crime and war. That is an average of half a billion in 10 years and 1 billion deaths every 20 years. Again, seems like a ton of waste to me if God claims he loves us and wants us to be safe and claims he can protect us. What would this alleged sky hero need with 10s of millions, much less billions of friends in a cosmic after party your alleged exists?

And do you really think you are the only apologist of the only religion that tries to debate science? Hate to burst your bubble, but every religion has followers whom, either try to argue their holy writings, or try to attack science, or try to get science to point to their club. 

http://thecenterforappliedjudaism.org/


https://www.islamreligion.com/category/3...oly-quran/

https://www.thoughtco.com/buddhism-and-science-449729

http://www.hinduismfacts.org/hindu-science/

^^^^^^^^

Every religion has follower apologists who love to claim their club is the seat of discovery and morality. 

I say our species morality isn't in old mythology or holy writings or holy people. I say our ability to be cruel or compassionate, and our ability to make discoveries are in our genes, in our evolution and there is no divine power doing that, our species is doing that.

It isn't going to kill you to consider we are finite, and no super cognition is involved.

You're making assumptions.   It wasn't a "gotcha" question.

I don't try to attack science.  I have a dual degree in science (social sciences) and almost finished a triple but quite honestly I got sick of school.  I didn't go to college right out of high school.  Worked for several years, went to college and tried to balance it out with work, joined the military (Army), eventually came back home, then did the school thing again  Additionally I've done peer-reviewed work and peer-review.  Doesn't make me the best at understanding science, and it doesn't make me the worst.  All-in-all, you could be ten times the scientist I am.  Maybe you are, and if so, good enough.

As far as the times you mentioned, those are also assumptions.  You are making claims that couldn't possibly be known.  If you feel they can be known, and even by the scientific method, then I would love to hear it.  To even begin to assert these things, it would have to account for many things have yet to be accounted for.  But hey, I'm willing to listen.

[Jackie]

Nope, not playing your game. You want to go "AH AH, you don't know anything, so my sky wizard is real."

I was born at night, just not last night. There are 7 billion humans living on this planet, with 10s of thousands of different religions and sub sects of each. Our species is far older than any written religion, or nation. Our planet is 4 billion years old. Our universe is 13.8 billion years old. There is no sky wizard doing any of this, not yours, not any. Our species will go extinct eventually just like 99% of prior life that existed, and eventually our planet and sun will die, and there will be no record of human's existence or their mythologies, which are really nothing more than projections of their own desires. 

We have as a species lived of our current form, of 200,000 years most of that in ignorance, and only around 10,000 years ago did we start writing things down. Now that seems to me a huge waste of time to wait most of that 13.8 billion years, much less 4 billion years, if humans are some special pet for a sky hero to wait most of that time, and even of the 10,000 years most of that in scientific ignorance and still religious tribalism and war. Seems like a pretty shitty way to run a factory if you are all powerful to let your factory workers live like that for so long.

Most humans buy the religions of their parents long before they can formulate adult critical thinking skills. There are on average 50 to 60 million deaths worldwide per year, from everything humans die from. We die in child birth, we die from famine, disease, natural disaster, crime and war. That is an average of half a billion in 10 years and 1 billion deaths every 20 years. Again, seems like a ton of waste to me if God claims he loves us and wants us to be safe and claims he can protect us. What would this alleged sky hero need with 10s of millions, much less billions of friends in a cosmic after party your alleged exists?

And do you really think you are the only apologist of the only religion that tries to debate science? Hate to burst your bubble, but every religion has followers whom, either try to argue their holy writings, or try to attack science, or try to get science to point to their club. 

http://thecenterforappliedjudaism.org/


https://www.islamreligion.com/category/3...oly-quran/

https://www.thoughtco.com/buddhism-and-science-449729

http://www.hinduismfacts.org/hindu-science/

^^^^^^^^

Every religion has follower apologists who love to claim their club is the seat of discovery and morality. 

I say our species morality isn't in old mythology or holy writings or holy people. I say our ability to be cruel or compassionate, and our ability to make discoveries are in our genes, in our evolution and there is no divine power doing that, our species is doing that.

It isn't going to kill you to consider we are finite, and no super cognition is involved.

You're making assumptions.   It wasn't a "gotcha" question.

I don't try to attack science.  I have a dual degree in science (social sciences) and almost finished a triple but quite honestly I got sick of school.  I didn't go to college right out of high school.  Worked for several years, went to college and tried to balance it out with work, joined the military (Army), eventually came back home, then did the school thing again  Additionally I've done peer-reviewed work and peer-review.  Doesn't make me the best at understanding science, and it doesn't make me the worst.  All-in-all, you could be ten times the scientist I am.  Maybe you are, and if so, good enough.

As far as the times you mentioned, those are also assumptions.  You are making claims that couldn't possibly be known.  If you feel they can be known, and even by the scientific method, then I would love to hear it.  To even begin to assert these things, it would have to account for many things have yet to be accounted for.  But hey, I'm willing to listen.

Said the person who assumes an old book of  mythology is relevant in an age of technology that has sent man made objects past Pluto.

You are the one assuming that an unscientific book of mythology is still relevant today.

The earth was not made in 6 days. Donkeys and bushes don't talk. Babies are not born without a second set of DNA whom have super powers, and humans do not survive rigor mortis. Just like you accept that Thor is not the cause of lightening. Just like you accept Poseidon is not the cause of hurricanes.

You do not get to blame me for the bad guesses humans made in antiquity when they didn't know any better. That was then, this is now. It was understandable people made up religion back then when they didn't know any better, but we have far better knowledge now.

I am sorry it bothers you to think that you are finite. It shouldn't bother you, but again, I am not responsible for your falling for wishful thinking. It is possible to live now, enjoy now, and do good now, without assigning it to magic.

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I don't care if you do claim to have a degree in science. AGAIN, go back and click on the links of other religions whom also try to get science to point to their clubs and writings. You all have the same problem. Science is a neutral tool. It is not there to point at Jesus, or Buddha, or Yahweh, or Allah or Vishnu.

Science does however, through evolutionary biology, neurology, and psychology, explain why human's false perceptions can lead them to make bad claims.

[Nihilist Virus]

As we are reasoning beings, Very little of what we actually chose to do is without reason. You may not like my reasons or have another standard, but I can have reason and faith. What I can't have is Faith and Evidence that is seen or complete understanding of, because, by that's how the Bible defines faith. I have evidence for lots of things in my life, I have reasons for almost everything, I have subjective observations and a partially complete understanding that rises above the level of plausible, indications for a God, IMO.

To simplify I'll just reword statements Having faith is an admission that the belief is not provable and Faith is a way of attaining knowledge when materialism alone can't get you there. This seems to be an atheist trigger word, so pardon if this is off topic.

Faith is a way of attaining knowledge? As in make believe?

And lol, atheist trigger words. Keep on trying.

[tackattack]

[Jackie]

As we are reasoning beings, Very little of what we actually chose to do is without reason. You may not like my reasons or have another standard, but I can have reason and faith. What I can't have is Faith and Evidence that is seen or complete understanding of, because, by that's how the Bible defines faith. I have evidence for lots of things in my life, I have reasons for almost everything, I have subjective observations and a partially complete understanding that rises above the level of plausible, indications for a God, IMO.

To simplify I'll just reword statements Having faith is an admission that the belief is not provable and Faith is a way of attaining knowledge when materialism alone can't get you there. This seems to be an atheist trigger word, so pardon if this is off topic.

Faith is a way of attaining knowledge?  As in make believe?

And lol, atheist trigger words.  Keep on trying.

There are plenty of theists throughout history I find to be heros to humanity. Humans who display compassion and empathy for others. Martian Luther King Jr, Ann Frank and Malala would be great examples. But, I do not agree that their actions, that serve as a good example for humanity, are coming from a divine source from above. 

Humans do not have to, as you put it "make believe" that good is some super natural outside source. Our behaviors are not a product of the divine world, but have always been in us. It is still up to our species how we interact with each other.

[T0 Th3 M4X]

Faith is a way of attaining knowledge?  As in make believe?

And lol, atheist trigger words.  Keep on trying.

There are plenty of theists throughout history I find to be heros to humanity. Humans who display compassion and empathy for others. Martian Luther King Jr, Ann Frank and Malala would be great examples. But, I do not agree that their actions, that serve as a good example for humanity, are coming from a divine source from above. 

Humans do not have to, as you put it "make believe" that good is some super natural outside source. Our behaviors are not a product of the divine world, but have always been in us. It is still up to our species how we interact with each other.

So you are the determining factor?

[Jackie]

There are plenty of theists throughout history I find to be heros to humanity. Humans who display compassion and empathy for others. Martian Luther King Jr, Ann Frank and Malala would be great examples. But, I do not agree that their actions, that serve as a good example for humanity, are coming from a divine source from above. 

Humans do not have to, as you put it "make believe" that good is some super natural outside source. Our behaviors are not a product of the divine world, but have always been in us. It is still up to our species how we interact with each other.

So you are the determining factor?

What the f? Where did I claim I was the center of the universe? 

No, what is going on with you, is that you are simply not used to people challenging your claims. Saying "that was then, this is now" is all I am doing. I am sorry someone sold you old mythology, but again, that is your baggage not mine.

How much time have you taken to "determine" that Apollo is not real? How much time have you taken to "determine" that Thor is not real?

There ARE good humans worldwide of every religion. I only dispute where humans think our ability to do good and be good is coming from. 

Someone sold you the idea that you needed a super cognition with super powers to manipulate life an the universe. I don't think you need that bad claim. I think humans are doing it, and humans are all we have, if we want to solve the problems of the world, and reduce conflict. 

The only difference between you and I is that I reject one more god claim than you do. Understand why you rightfully reject all other god claims, besides the one you hold, then you should quite easily understand why I reject yours as well.

It should not frighten you one bit that this is it, and no super hero is helping humans.

[Nihilist Virus]

Faith is a way of attaining knowledge?  As in make believe?

And lol, atheist trigger words.  Keep on trying.

There are plenty of theists throughout history I find to be heros to humanity. Humans who display compassion and empathy for others. Martian Luther King Jr, Ann Frank and Malala would be great examples. But, I do not agree that their actions, that serve as a good example for humanity, are coming from a divine source from above. 

Humans do not have to, as you put it "make believe" that good is some super natural outside source. Our behaviors are not a product of the divine world, but have always been in us. It is still up to our species how we interact with each other.

Believing in good and believing in God are different things. There's no reason to believe that God exists. If you make yourself believe it, that's make believe.

[T0 Th3 M4X]

So you are the determining factor?

What the f? Where did I claim I was the center of the universe? 

No, what is going on with you, is that you are simply not used to people challenging your claims. Saying "that was then, this is now" is all I am doing. I am sorry someone sold you old mythology, but again, that is your baggage not mine.

How much time have you taken to "determine" that Apollo is not real? How much time have you taken to "determine" that Thor is not real?

There ARE good humans worldwide of every religion. I only dispute where humans think our ability to do good and be good is coming from. 

Someone sold you the idea that you needed a super cognition with super powers to manipulate life an the universe. I don't think you need that bad claim. I think humans are doing it, and humans are all we have, if we want to solve the problems of the world, and reduce conflict. 

The only difference between you and I is that I reject one more god claim than you do. Understand why you rightfully reject all other god claims, besides the one you hold, then you should quite easily understand why I reject yours as well.

It should not frighten you one bit that this is it, and no super hero is helping humans.

You determined all this off a question?  Then I guess I rightfully asked - "So you are the determining factor?"

How many things did you determine in your statement -

- Good people worldwide of every religion
- Someone sold me the idea of super cognition to manipulate life and the universe
- I don't need a claim + must be bad.
- Humans are doing it and all we we have to solve problems and reduce conflicts
- Reject one more "god claim" is our only difference.
- I reject all other god claims.
- I should easily understand based on the prior matter you determined.
- It should not frighten me.
- No super hero helping humans.

Anything else you would like to determine?