Evolution and Christianity and Salvation

[Jehanne]

My theory is not for you, but for the one who is struggling with their new faith and what their totalitarian science teacher says. Now one does not contrdict the other in any way shape or form nor does with change.

Science does not contradict those who believe in Mount Olympus, either; you're missing the point here.  An infinite number of belief systems exist, hence, the probability of any particular belief system being true is zero.  Your beliefs about god, whether in general or in particular, are non-falsifiable, and therefore, simply compete with a unbounded set of other beliefs, most of which are contradictory to each other.

[The Grand Nudger]

Making shit up, again.

[Drich]

My theory is not for you, but for the one who is struggling with their new faith and what their totalitarian science teacher says. Now one does not contrdict the other in any way shape or form nor does with change.Science does not contradict those who believe in Mount Olympus, either;

YES IT DOES!!!! The way the world was created is indeed in direct conflict with how olympus said the deed was done.
http://www.desy.de/gna/interpedia/greek_...ation.html

Last i checked "love was not the key ingredient to the formation of the cosmos according to science.

you're missing the point here.

actually you have retard again.. My theory allows science to be whatever you say or will and the creation narritive remains untouched while not contradicting science in any way. 4th time me telling you this.. You simply can not comprehend how both can be true without deleting whole key aspects to the story. like you did with olympus. You deleted 40% of it's creation to say science jives with it. Like wise you assume christianity has to delet science or science has to delete christianity..

Again not the case my dense friend.

Now both are possible!

 

An infinite number of belief systems exist, hence, the probability of any particular belief system being true is zero.  Your beliefs about god, whether in general or in particular, are non-falsifiable, and therefore, simply compete with a unbounded set of other beliefs, most of which are contradictory to each other.

my theory is not unfalsifiable.. you do not even understand it so how can you even claim this? My beliefs are consistent with evolution 100%, AND as a matter of course with a seven day creation. Is the theory of evolution unfalsifiable? then get your facts straight before you just march out any old anti christian bs that use to work, and use your brain sport. you are not going to win this using old cliches

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[quote='Drich' pid='1888336' dateline='1551466723']

hey-sus chirstos you are a dumb.. not only do I make money using the scientific principles that has allowed man to harness and control electricity but I also used the laws of thermal dynamics to conqueror several problems a team of engineers had, and build two very unique and distinct items that contribute to the "green effort" to not only bring food from our farms to your table but also allow smaller start up access to this technology at a fraction of the price it was projected to cost. I through science and legitmatly a contributing member to society that help facilitate whole. green perishable food created corporately or on a mom and pop farm, bakery,caterer level, to bring their goods to market. or to deliver them to your door step. (you know how alot of stores are delivering groceries to your home now???? YOU MF-ing WELCOME) Not only that I thought God have found away to assimilate the whole of 'science's' working theories on evolution (unmolested/I did not have to change a blessed word) into what the bible says without changing a word of the holy Bible.

Do you understand little man?

I'm telling you religion does not have to hate science any more. and yet you still get to hate all things religious. Has that sunk in yet or has the bigotry truly blinded you?

With modern science, there is simply no reason to believe in God, any more than there are reasons to believe in the existence of fairies, unicorns, pixies, or, the FSM.  You can believe, if you wish; there are just no good reasons to do so.

not your idea of a magic grandfather god you mean..

However it seems to be describing the God of the bible. (your god and the god of the bible are NOT the same thing)

[Peebothuhlu]

At work.

@ Watching Drich foam at the mouth.......

[Drich]

Making shit up, again.

like??? or are you just trying to chip away at my character like a poor man's john oliver.. can't/won't engauge in a discussion but takes every chance he get to make someone unlikable there fore not truth worthy?

If you are going to challenge bring something to the table.

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At work.

@ Watching Drich foam at the mouth.......

meh.. we are just getting started.

[downbeatplumb]

I see you don't know what science is.

Science among other things is the method by which we remove our preconceptions to come to truth.

Its why religions hate science so much.

hey-sus chirstos you are a dumb.. not only do I make money using the scientific principles that has allowed man to harness and control electricity but I also used the laws of thermal dynamics to conqueror several problems a team of engineers had, and build two very unique and distinct items that contribute to the "green effort" to not only bring food from our farms to your table but also allow smaller start up access to this technology at a fraction of the price it was projected to cost. I through science and legitmatly a contributing member to society that help facilitate whole. green perishable food created corporately or on a mom and pop farm, bakery,caterer level, to bring their goods to market. or to deliver them to your door step. (you know how alot of stores are delivering groceries to your home now???? YOU MF-ing WELCOME) Not only that I thought God have found away to assimilate the whole of 'science's' working theories on evolution (unmolested/I did not have to change a blessed word) into what the bible says without changing a word of the holy Bible.

Do you understand little man?

I'm telling you religion does not have to hate science any more. and yet you still get to hate all things religious. Has that sunk in yet or has the bigotry truly blinded you?

You can also use a computer but that doesn't mean you know how it works.

What you have demonstrated by the things you have typed here on every subject you have visited is your lack of knowledge of the scientific process. You misunderstand it at a fundamental level.

And religion has never "had" to hate science, but to be believed it does have to be testable by science and it just isn't. The way people have dealt with the failure of religion to meet the scientific tests is to place god in an unknowable place. The sure sign of a con.

[Jehanne]

not your idea of a magic grandfather god you mean..

However it seems to be describing the God of the bible. (your god and the god of the bible are NOT the same thing)

I am not sure what you mean, the early Jews were at least quasi-polytheistic.  Why should I believe in the god of Jews (Yahweh) any more than one of the gods of the Hittites or Babylonians?

[Drich]

hey-sus chirstos you are a dumb.. not only do I make money using the scientific principles that has allowed man to harness and control electricity but I also used the laws of thermal dynamics to conqueror several problems a team of engineers had, and build two very unique and distinct items that contribute to the "green effort" to not only bring food from our farms to your table but also allow smaller start up access to this technology at a fraction of the price it was projected to cost. I through science and legitmatly a contributing member to society that help facilitate whole. green perishable food created corporately or on a mom and pop farm, bakery,caterer level, to bring their goods to market. or to deliver them to your door step. (you know how alot of stores are delivering groceries to your home now???? YOU MF-ing WELCOME) Not only that I thought God have found away to assimilate the whole of 'science's' working theories on evolution (unmolested/I did not have to change a blessed word) into what the bible says without changing a word of the holy Bible.

Do you understand little man?

I'm telling you religion does not have to hate science any more. and yet you still get to hate all things religious. Has that sunk in yet or has the bigotry truly blinded you?

You can also use a computer but that doesn't mean you know how it works.

What you have demonstrated by the things you have typed here on every subject you have visited is your lack of knowledge of the scientific process. You misunderstand it at a fundamental level.

And religion has never "had" to hate science, but to be believed it does have to be testable by science and it just isn't. The way people have dealt with the failure of religion to meet the scientific tests is to place god in an unknowable place. The sure sign of a con.

your out of touch with people. you seem to have a very large disconnect between the way people are.. and what your idealism tell you to tell me.

People have been polarized no in betweens when it come to church and science. to the point they make movies about it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God%27s_Not_Dead_(film)

This is a film that describes much of the scholastic climate towards people of faith and 'science. where a man of faith is ridiculed and fails his class because he will not deny God, and while you may try and poo poo on the level of personal hate the professor has toward people of faith, this is how a large portion of the world see people of science. something you claim does not exist.
And again what God has allowed me to share is a reading of the word that takes this particular conflict out of religion and science.

which at best makes you next comment about my understanding of science a foretelling of your own ignorance. as collecting data to generate an accurate hypothesis is at the core of any scientific endeavor. to which you have made no inquiries, tested me in no way nor even asked me to explain what I do know. you are sterotypically taking old atheist assertion about people of faith and throwing up against the wall to see what sticks. Which makes your assumption is as far from scientific truth as one can be.

This shows you have failed in everything in your lat post. which means you are beyond stupid or you are so emotionally driven to the point, you should not be speaking to anyone one about anything scientific. as your truth is defined by how you feel and not vetted fact. show me some effort show me some leg work show me a lattice of logic that brings me to a conclusion you have made as I have stacked evidence against you and not just made blid claims about your character. I've shown faultly logic and fault reasoning by the lack of intellectual activity. show me something beside a simpleton calling someone else names because you disagree.

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not your idea of a magic grandfather god you mean..

However it seems to be describing the God of the bible. (your god and the god of the bible are NOT the same thing)

I am not sure what you mean, the early Jews were at least quasi-polytheistic.  Why should I believe in the god of Jews (Yahweh) any more than one of the gods of the Hittites or Babylonians?

glob...

You said no reason to believe in God with the avent of science.

I said there is no reason in believing in a magic wizard grand father God who has to magic everything he wants into existence. God was described this way by the ancient hebrewsof the bronze age because they could not distinguish technology nor scince from godly magic. Do you understand.?

To them and what they wrote it is all magic. However from a modern perspective just because the ancient jews saw magic doesn't mean we would.

Do you understand this?

Ok with this fact in mind, what you are describing as 'science' can still be attributed to God and it still fits the description of the God of the bible. as the God of the bible is the God of the natural world.. understand? if God is the God of the natural world then why would he create it in such a way that he can only manipulate it supernaturally to get his will done? Understand? meaning if God created the world why would he make it to where he had to bypass all the natural laws to do things? Would it make sense to create something that jives with your will and or purpose? That "jiving" with God's will we call science. Meaning it is our description or understand of how God made the universe and how his processes work to accomplish his will.

Do you understand? I am saying God is not the God of only the supernatural. It is only supernatural because we do not understand everything God does naturally yet. which again to the ancient hebrews was everything.. to us maybe only 2/3 or 1/2 would seem supernatural. 

However nothing in the bible says God can only work against scientific knowledge and beyond the eventual understanding of man.

[Peebothuhlu]

At work.

Am wizz m'self laughin' that Drich is referenceing a movie of all things to support his claims.

Can I reference Mathew Broderic in 'War games' to boleter my views on 1980's cold war politics?

Jigger me sideways Drich's poets are a good laugh sometimes!

[downbeatplumb]

[quote='downbeatplumb' pid='1889196' dateline='1551723892']
You can also use a computer but that doesn't mean you know how it works.

What you have demonstrated by the things you have typed here on every subject you have visited is your lack of knowledge of the scientific process. You misunderstand it at a fundamental level.

And religion has never "had" to hate science, but to be believed it does have to be testable by science and it just isn't. The way people have dealt with the failure of religion to meet the scientific tests is to place god in an unknowable place. The sure sign of a con.

your out of touch with people. you seem to have a very large disconnect between the way people are.. and what your idealism tell you to tell me.

I do not have a preconception. I just do not believe what theists have claimed.

People have been polarized no in betweens when it come to church and science. to the point they make movies about it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God%27s_Not_Dead_(film)

This is a film that describes much of the scholastic climate towards people of faith and 'science. where a man of faith is ridiculed and fails his class because he will not deny God, and while you may try and poo poo on the level of personal hate the professor has toward people of faith, this is how a large portion of the world see people of science. something you claim does not exist.

This film is a propaganda that misrepresents both science and education. particularly in one of the most heavily theocratic countries in the world. Remember that in the US it is the atheists who face discrimination from the theists.

And again what God has allowed me to share is a reading of the word that takes this particular conflict out of religion and science.

which at best makes you next comment about my understanding of science a foretelling of your own ignorance. as collecting data to generate an accurate hypothesis is at the core of any scientific endeavor. to which you have made no inquiries, tested me in no way nor even asked me to explain what I do know. you are sterotypically taking old atheist assertion about people of faith and throwing up against the wall to see what sticks. Which makes your assumption is as far from scientific truth as one can be.

Your "collecting data" seems to be all anecdote and nothing that actually consistutes anything even beginning to resemble evidence.

This shows you have failed in everything in your lat post. which means you are beyond stupid or you are so emotionally driven to the point, you should not be speaking to anyone one about anything scientific. as your truth is defined by how you feel and not vetted fact.

I am not emotionally driven as I couldn't give a toss whether atheism is true or theism is true it just so happen that there atheism is the only stance that is possible to a thinking person in the modern world.

show me some effort show me some leg work show me a lattice of logic that brings me to a conclusion you have made as I have stacked evidence against you

As you have never presented anything that counts as evidence you are a bit cheeky in claiming "Stacks of it".

and not just made blid claims about your character. I've shown faultly logic and fault reasoning by the lack of intellectual activity. show me something beside a simpleton calling someone else names because you disagree.

You have not shown my faulty logic, I don't think you know what logic is and as to my lack of intellectual activity I can only assume that my lofty thoughts are just to rarefied for your limited mental capacity to comprehend.

Have I called you names?

I don't remember calling you names, but then these little posts between us are not something I care to retain. I will forget this in a minute.

You do seem to have very limited knowledge on practically every sphere of human learning though, biology, history, science and chemistry your ignorance seems to be unrestrained.