Will we, Can we, ever become martians?

[onlinebiker]

Where you going to get all the terrawatts of power you will need to build all this infrastructure?



Gee.


Slight problem, huh??

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Why do you presume there would be a heavy load on the domes? They don't have to be Earth-atmospheric pressure. As for the CO2, it's in the rocks.

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I didn't say it would be easy, or quick. But starting with smaller domes in a side valley for farming, and living in the cliffs, for protection from solar storms, etc., is the way I would go. Martian sand would make glass panels for the domes.

Yeah, but inhabitants in those domes can’t exist in isolation from eachother or from earth even for a few decades, much less tens of thousands of years required to speciate.

Without genetic engineering, biological speciation will take genetic isolation for tens to hundreds of thousands of years.   Keeping a viable population on mars going for that long without contact with and material import from earth likely require quite a thorough and complete terraforming of mars.

Speciation doesn't take thousands of years. Divergence can start in a few generations.

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Where you going to get all the terrawatts of power you will need to build all this infrastructure?



Gee.


Slight problem, huh??

Fusion reactors. From the ships that brought us there.

[onlinebiker]

Why do you presume there would be a heavy load on the domes? They don't have to be Earth-atmospheric pressure. As for the CO2, it's in the rocks.

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Yeah, but inhabitants in those domes can’t exist in isolation from eachother or from earth even for a few decades, much less tens of thousands of years required to speciate.

Without genetic engineering, biological speciation will take genetic isolation for tens to hundreds of thousands of years.   Keeping a viable population on mars going for that long without contact with and material import from earth likely require quite a thorough and complete terraforming of mars.

Speciation doesn't take thousands of years. Divergence can start in a few generations.

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Where you going to get all the terrawatts of power you will need to build all this infrastructure?



Gee.


Slight problem, huh??

Fusion reactors. From the ships that brought us there.

Ahhhhh....

Brilliant. Park a couple hundred pounds of plutonium on top of a controlled explosion and hope it makes it out of the atmosphere.


Gee -- NOTHING could go wrong there, huh????

[Gawdzilla Sama]

If you have nothing to add, add it anyway.

[onlinebiker]

If you have nothing to add, add it anyway.

And when you have all the engineering savvy of a goose, honk loudly.

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We are signatory to treaties that severely limit the amount of fissible materials that can be launched out of the atmosphere. The " big" reactors we send out in orbits exceeding earth/sun orbit are in the kilowatt scale.  About the size of a home power generator.

The scale you are proposing are in a scale 1 x 10 to the 9th.


But what the fuck do I know???

[Gawdzilla Sama]

That's the current rules, yep.

And you clearly don't know dick. Except to act like a lout.

[Anomalocaris]

Speciation doesn't take thousands of years. Divergence can start in a few  the ships that brought

Speciation and phenotypical divergence are not the same thing.   You can phenotypically diverge a lot and still be the same specie.  Eskimos and pigmy are the same specie, and not all that different as far as variation within species typically go.

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If you have nothing to add, add it anyway.

And when you have all the engineering savvy of a goose, honk loudly.

....

We are signatory to treaties that severely limit the amount of fissible materials that can be launched out of the atmosphere. The " big" reactors we send out in orbits exceeding earth/sun orbit are in the kilowatt scale.  About the size of a home power generator.

The scale you are proposing are in a scale 1 x 10 to the 9th.


But what the fuck do I know???

He said fusion. You know the difference?

[Yonadav]

Speciation doesn't take thousands of years. Divergence can start in a few  the ships that brought

Speciation and phenotypical divergence are not the same thing.   You can phenotypically diverge a lot and still be the same specie.  Eskimos and pigmy are the same specie, and not all that different as far as variation within species typically go.

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And when you have all the engineering savvy of a goose, honk loudly.

....

We are signatory to treaties that severely limit the amount of fissible materials that can be launched out of the atmosphere. The " big" reactors we send out in orbits exceeding earth/sun orbit are in the kilowatt scale.  About the size of a home power generator.

The scale you are proposing are in a scale 1 x 10 to the 9th.


But what the fuck do I know???

He said fusion.   You know the difference?

I noticed that, but the limit is on materials and not the type of reaction.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

https://science.howstuffworks.com/fusion-reactor1.htm

[onlinebiker]

Speciation doesn't take thousands of years. Divergence can start in a few  the ships that brought

Speciation and phenotypical divergence are not the same thing.   You can phenotypically diverge a lot and still be the same specie.  Eskimos and pigmy are the same specie, and not all that different as far as variation within species typically go.

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And when you have all the engineering savvy of a goose, honk loudly.

....

We are signatory to treaties that severely limit the amount of fissible materials that can be launched out of the atmosphere. The " big" reactors we send out in orbits exceeding earth/sun orbit are in the kilowatt scale.  About the size of a home power generator.

The scale you are proposing are in a scale 1 x 10 to the 9th.


But what the fuck do I know???

He said fusion.   You know the difference?

You think it matters???

I assume he doesn't know the difference between a reactor and a bidet....


We don't launch large quantities of nuclear reactor fuel - of any type - for a goddamned good reason.

One fuckup - and you scatter poisonous, radioactive shit all over the planet.


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Think Chernobyl, writ large.