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RE: New Zealand Bans Assault Weapons
March 27, 2019 at 8:17 am
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Quote:'the concept of self-defence only arises where the actions of the accused by way of self-defence are directly taken against the person threatening the accused or another’s being or property.'[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-defence_(Australia)#cite_note-R_v_Burgess-5][/url]
I have a HUGE issue with the last bit. How can one justify the use of lethal force in defense of property? If YOUR life or the life of a loved one is at imminent risk, I get it.
But property? Since the case cited makes no definition of what constitutes 'property', I'd be as theoretically justified in killing the person who steals my car as I would if I killed the one who stole my toaster. Or a pebble from my garden. That's an insane standard.
'He who steals my purse steals trash.' - Someone Famous, I think.
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RE: New Zealand Bans Assault Weapons
March 27, 2019 at 5:34 pm
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Come try and take my shit. A crime against property can easily escalate to a crime against person.
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RE: New Zealand Bans Assault Weapons
March 27, 2019 at 5:40 pm
(March 27, 2019 at 5:34 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: Come try and take my shit. A crime against property can easily escalate to a crime against person.
Well ain' t you the badly inflamed testicle?
Such puffery...
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RE: New Zealand Bans Assault Weapons
March 27, 2019 at 5:43 pm
(March 27, 2019 at 5:40 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: (March 27, 2019 at 5:34 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: Come try and take my shit. A crime against property can easily escalate to a crime against person.
Well ain' t you the badly inflamed testicle?
Such puffery... Man, you don't even make coherent insults. 
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RE: New Zealand Bans Assault Weapons
March 27, 2019 at 5:45 pm
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I suppose that at one point in time (and in some current circumstances) the theft of property could amount to a credible threat to life. Hard to make the case anymore what with our houses being full of disposables and cheap plastic bric a brac that won't kill us for it's absence.
Not that it would matter, really, since the difference between the use of a gun "in self defense" and not using a gun is either non-existent or so small as to seem so. I guess it might feel different to the person holding the gun? I know it would scare the fuck out of me if I had a gun out and loaded in my house full of kids with walls that couldn't stop a baseball...however it might make someone else feel. What if we actually started shooting......
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RE: New Zealand Bans Assault Weapons
March 27, 2019 at 5:46 pm
(March 27, 2019 at 5:43 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: (March 27, 2019 at 5:40 pm)onlineb iker Wrote: Well ain' t you the badly inflamed testicle?
Such puffery... Man, you don't even make coherent insults.
I' d dumb it down to your level, but the board prohibits posting nasty pictures.....
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RE: New Zealand Bans Assault Weapons
March 27, 2019 at 5:57 pm
Then we won't have to look at your face.
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RE: New Zealand Bans Assault Weapons
March 27, 2019 at 6:47 pm
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@boru.
"I have a HUGE issue with the last bit. How can one justify the use of lethal force in defense of property? "
Agreed.
HOWEVER: In about 1980, my wife and I arrived home late. Noticed the front screen door was open, help open by the door mat.
We had been burgled. Not much of a mess, and they only took the TV and a small amount of cash.
I was shocked and appalled at my own reaction. Had I been present, with a firearm, as those people carried my TV out the front door, I would have shot them.
The feeling I had was one of violation. I guess an odd thing for a man to feel.
We like to believe we know how we would react is any situation .Well, that was what I believed. Most distressing to discover that was a false belief.
Today, I hope I understand how I will react in extremis, but I don't know for a fact
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RE: New Zealand Bans Assault Weapons
March 27, 2019 at 7:21 pm
(March 27, 2019 at 6:47 pm)fredd bear Wrote: @boru.
"I have a HUGE issue with the last bit. How can one justify the use of lethal force in defense of property? "
Agreed.
HOWEVER: In about 1980, my wife and I arrived home late. Noticed the front screen door was open, help open by the door mat.
We had been burgled. Not much of a mess, and they only took the TV and a small amount of cash.
I was shocked and appalled at my own reaction. Had I been present, with a firearm, as those people carried my TV out the front door, I would have shot them.
The feeling I had was one of violation. I guess an odd thing for a man to feel.
We like to believe we know how we would react is any situation .Well, that was what I believed. Most distressing to discover that was a false belief.
Today, I hope I understand how I will react in extremis, but I don't know for a fact
So do you consider yourself to be an out of control moron - or do you believe that inanimate objects make decisions for you?
Me - I leave the keys in the car all the time - so I don't have idiots confronting me.
A car isn' t worth having to live with killing an assshole.
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RE: New Zealand Bans Assault Weapons
March 27, 2019 at 9:46 pm
@ onlinebiker
"So do you consider yourself to be an out of control moron - or do you believe that inanimate objects make decisions for you?"
I can do without the ad hominem thanks sunshine. I'll ignore it.
To reply to the second question: I neither said not implied any such thing; it was the situation pushing my button. This was about feeling violated and powerless. I think violence would be a common male reaction in such circumstances.
I also think that human beings are incapable of consistent rational thought or behaviour. Most of our behaviour is the result of habit or a reaction from the reptilian brain. As a species we seem to do a large amount of our rational thinking to justify actions which have already happened or planned ones which we think are dubious.. So much so that it is my belief that " humans are not so much rational animals as we are rational-ising ones"
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It's similar to the brain possessed by the hardy reptiles that preceded mammals, roughly 200 million years ago. It's 'preverbal', but controls life functions such as autonomic brain, breathing, heart rate and the fight or flight mechanism. Lacking language, its impulses are instinctual and ritualistic. It's concerned with fundamental needs such as survival, physical maintenance, hoarding, dominance, preening and mating. It is also found in lower life forms such as lizards, crocodiles and birds. It is at the base of your skull emerging from your spinal column. "
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