Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: August 3, 2026, 5:47 pm
Atheist Forums › Science › Physical Sciences v
First ever black hole image released

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Thread Modes
First ever black hole image released
Gawdzilla Sama Offline
Banana Hammer
*****
Religious Views: Rational
Posts: 19882
Threads: 324
Joined: July 31, 2016
Reputation: 34
#31
RE: First ever black hole image released
April 11, 2019 at 6:57 am (This post was last modified: April 11, 2019 at 6:59 am by Gawdzilla Sama.)
(April 10, 2019 at 8:01 pm)chimp3 Wrote:
(April 10, 2019 at 7:23 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: I've seen diagrams with V'ger barely into the donut.
fb!

[Image: m87_black_hole_size_comparison.png]
(April 10, 2019 at 8:38 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:
(April 10, 2019 at 10:19 am)zebo-the-fat Wrote: First ever black hole image released

Nice work by everone involved    Great

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-47873592

To the BBC science writer:

That is not the image of the black hole.  It is the image of the accretion disk around the black hole.  Black hole by definition can’t be imaged.   It would have the same effect on any imaging sensor as if it was not there.   Saying the image of the accretion disk is the image of the black hole is like saying an image of Pluto is an image of the sun.

It is being taken as proof that black holes exist (along with SgrA* images), and that's good for the boffins. I don't think any knowledgeable person expected to actually see an object that can't be seen.
Find
Reply
Athene Offline Donators
Do You See What I See?
*****
Religious Views: N/A
Posts: 5599
Threads: 37
Joined: July 13, 2015
Reputation: 61
#32
RE: First ever black hole image released
April 11, 2019 at 8:21 am (This post was last modified: April 11, 2019 at 8:23 am by Athene.)
My gawd, that thing is mind-blowingly massive. 
(Talking about M87, fellas)

IDK, but it seems that it could take many years in proper time (as experienced by a person or planet within it) to reach the singularity.
Billions, maybe.

OMG...Could our universe exist inside a black hole lying within another universe? Panic
Find
Reply
BrianSoddingBoru4 Offline
Power-Drunk Administrator
********
Religious Views: Headology
Posts: 51762
Threads: 564
Joined: July 24, 2013
Reputation: 109
#33
RE: First ever black hole image released
April 11, 2019 at 8:31 am
We have been remiss.

[Image: 57034699_2681918401901197_77599840323680...e=5D2EC104]

Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
Find
Reply
Gawdzilla Sama Offline
Banana Hammer
*****
Religious Views: Rational
Posts: 19882
Threads: 324
Joined: July 31, 2016
Reputation: 34
#34
RE: First ever black hole image released
April 11, 2019 at 8:32 am (This post was last modified: April 11, 2019 at 8:33 am by Gawdzilla Sama.)
I like to think that each SMBH is the "origin" of a Big Bang in the universe created by that monster. Time rate relative to that universe, of course. If true then each SMBH creates a new universe where SMBHs repeat the process. ENDLESS universes each cut off from all others.
(April 11, 2019 at 8:31 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: We have been remiss.

[Image: 57034699_2681918401901197_77599840323680...e=5D2EC104]

Boru

Actually, her picture is everywhere in the sciency world.
Find
Reply
Paraselene Offline Donators
Faith's Nightmare
*****
Religious Views: Infidel Savant
Posts: 35193
Threads: 1438
Joined: March 15, 2013
Reputation: 152
#35
RE: First ever black hole image released
April 11, 2019 at 9:49 am
The memes regarding the black hole image are flooding my FB timeline. xD
Find
Reply
Anomalocaris Offline
Stem arthropod
*****
Religious Views: None
Posts: 19789
Threads: 57
Joined: September 24, 2010
Reputation: 85
#36
RE: First ever black hole image released
April 11, 2019 at 10:43 am (This post was last modified: April 11, 2019 at 10:51 am by Anomalocaris.)
(April 11, 2019 at 6:57 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:
(April 10, 2019 at 8:01 pm)chimp3 Wrote: fb!

[Image: m87_black_hole_size_comparison.png]
(April 10, 2019 at 8:38 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: To the BBC science writer:

That is not the image of the black hole.  It is the image of the accretion disk around the black hole.  Black hole by definition can’t be imaged.   It would have the same effect on any imaging sensor as if it was not there.   Saying the image of the accretion disk is the image of the black hole is like saying an image of Pluto is an image of the sun.

It is being taken as proof that black holes exist (along with SgrA* images), and that's good for the boffins. I don't think any knowledgeable person expected to actually see an object that can't be seen.


Proofs of black hole as conclusive as current state of physics allows have existed for decades.   This photo adds literally nothing to it. 

The best that current state of physics allows still permit what we believe to be black holes to actually be some other types of theoretically plausible exotic objects.  This photo also does not exclude these lingering doubts.
Find
Reply
Gawdzilla Sama Offline
Banana Hammer
*****
Religious Views: Rational
Posts: 19882
Threads: 324
Joined: July 31, 2016
Reputation: 34
#37
RE: First ever black hole image released
April 11, 2019 at 11:38 am (This post was last modified: April 11, 2019 at 11:40 am by Gawdzilla Sama.)
If that was all there was I might agree with you, somewhat.
Find
Reply
BrianSoddingBoru4 Offline
Power-Drunk Administrator
********
Religious Views: Headology
Posts: 51762
Threads: 564
Joined: July 24, 2013
Reputation: 109
#38
RE: First ever black hole image released
April 11, 2019 at 11:57 am
(April 11, 2019 at 8:32 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: I like to think that each SMBH is the "origin" of a Big Bang in the universe created by that monster. Time rate relative to that universe, of course. If true then each SMBH creates a new universe where SMBHs repeat the process. ENDLESS universes each cut off from all others.
(April 11, 2019 at 8:31 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: We have been remiss.

[Image: 57034699_2681918401901197_77599840323680...e=5D2EC104]

Boru

Actually, her picture is everywhere in the sciency world.

I meant here.

Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
Find
Reply
Jackie Offline
RationalPoet
*****
Religious Views: JGH 1933-2017 RIP MOM
Posts: 30739
Threads: 2127
Joined: May 24, 2012
Reputation: 71
#39
RE: First ever black hole image released
April 11, 2019 at 12:29 pm
(April 11, 2019 at 8:31 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: We have been remiss.

[Image: 57034699_2681918401901197_77599840323680...e=5D2EC104]

Boru

FAKE NEWS! HOAX!  Why isn't she barefoot in the kitchen cooking me dinner?
Poetry by Brian37(poems by an atheist) Also on Facebook as BrianJames Rational Poet and Twitter Brianrrs37  I also have a new blog here at https://www.brianjamesrationalpoet.blog
Find
Reply
The Valkyrie Offline
The last smile some will see...
********
Religious Views: Time to end them
Posts: 36005
Threads: 210
Joined: August 13, 2012
Reputation: 146
#40
RE: First ever black hole image released
April 11, 2019 at 1:07 pm
(April 11, 2019 at 12:29 pm)Brian37 Wrote:
(April 11, 2019 at 8:31 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: We have been remiss.

[Image: 57034699_2681918401901197_77599840323680...e=5D2EC104]

Boru

FAKE NEWS! HOAX!  Why isn't she barefoot in the kitchen cooking me dinner?

She's out of cyanide and left to get more?

Tongue

Playing Cluedo with my mum while I was at Uni:

"You did WHAT?  With WHO?  WHERE???"
Find
Reply


Atheist Forums › Science › Physical Sciences v
First ever black hole image released

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Black Holes Don’t Exist! Rift Zone 35 14050 May 23, 2025 at 8:42 pm
Last Post: Fireball
  Earth's Gravity Hole Bucky Ball 2 2713 July 29, 2023 at 1:27 am
Last Post: Anomalocaris
  Now we know when the first stars in the universe switched on Paraselene 1 1221 June 28, 2021 at 6:47 am
Last Post: vulcanlogician
  Ultra Massive Black Holes...... Jackie 55 20437 February 11, 2019 at 9:51 am
Last Post: Jehanne
  Newborn planet pictured for first time zebo-the-fat 15 4932 July 3, 2018 at 9:11 pm
Last Post: brewer
  Black hole eats a star Paraselene 19 6910 June 20, 2018 at 12:06 pm
Last Post: Joods
  I wrote the first book to teach the Big Bang theory to Preschoolers! GeorgiasTelescope 0 1085 June 12, 2017 at 10:17 pm
Last Post: GeorgiasTelescope
  Will Our Sun Expand and Go Nova or Shrink into a Black Hole? Rhondazvous 55 18950 January 19, 2017 at 11:36 pm
Last Post: DarkerEnergy
  First collisions at the LHC with unprecedented Energy! (Ask a particle physisicist) Alex K 385 117377 August 8, 2016 at 5:03 am
Last Post: Alex K
  Black Hole/Parallel Universe Theory Heat 9 5310 October 21, 2015 at 10:08 pm
Last Post: Heat



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)