Sargon of Akkad running for office

[Rev. Rye]

Sargon tries to defeat the feminists and fails

Is this the one where he demands that she explain why Barack Obama uses the "1 in 5" statistic and she has to carefully, repeatedly tell him that she does not have access to the inner workings of the mind of Barack Obama and cannot answer questions about why Obama believes something?

As seen at 10 minutes in here:




Edit: Yes, it is, and it starts around 49:50 in the original video.

[Amarok]

Sargon tries to defeat the feminists and fails

Is this the one where he demands that she explain why Barack Obama uses the "1 in 5" statistic and she has to carefully, repeatedly tell him that she does not have access to the inner workings of the mind of Barack Obama and cannot answer questions about why Obama believes something?

As seen at 10 minutes in here:




Edit: Yes, it is, and it starts around 49:50 in the original video.

I know that was hilarious

[Sal]

I've watched enough videos put out by Sargon of Akkad to know that @Amarok is full of shit.

He's not alt-right. He's a centrist "classical liberal". He's on record to describe the alt-right as "white niggers", which is also why he's hated by the alt-right. Get your facts straight @Amarok.

The tweet towards a female MP (Jess Phillips) was "I wouldn't even rape you" in the context that she joked about male suicide rates and not what most have been told through MSM that it was about making criticism of feminism should be "unacceptable".

Don't get me wrong, he's no choir boy, but I repeatedly see these misrepresentations of him that are through the filter of the MSM that people take to heart. Which is also why Count Dankula (nazi saluting pug supreme) is still called a nazi sympathizer, when he explicitly made jokes mocking nazis.

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Case in point:



Vee explains it well what I'm getting at, how the MSM distorts people's perceptions. They're smear merchants.

[Divinity]

"Classical Liberal" is just a bullshit word for "Alt-Righter who doesn't want to be identified as Alt-Right".

He's a sexist asshole who definitely fits in more with the alt-right than ANY liberal ideology. He may support SOME liberal positions, but that doesn't make him liberal. You don't support and defend Donald Trump and get to call yourself any sort of liberal.

[The Grand Nudger]

Part of how the alt right succeeds is through evading stigma carrying classifications.  That's the re-branding side of old ideologies.  The skeptic movement on youtube was immensely helpful in this regard.  For the past few years it's been the most productive entry point for alt right radicalization as introductory grooming.  People thoroughly in and acclimated to the alt right recognize this pipeline and milestones on the pipeline.  It happens in a way that the subject being groomed doesn't even realize where they're headed.  They think that they're skeptics, or that some presenter in question is a skeptic.  Rinse and repeat with socialists, environmentalists, rationalists, independents, etc.  The trick is to take some positively valued thing or movement and tie it into mainline alt right ideology so that rather than seeing the alt right for what it is, the notions expressed seem to lead inexorably to the quiet parts that we don't say out loud.  That moment when you decide which pill to swallow, lol.

Contrary to popular belief, the alt right isn't full of rightwing nutballs, it targets the disaffected left. The rightwing nutballs..cuckservatives... are perfectly content, by and large, with their preexisting conditions and platforms. This is why it's not actually surprising to find someone call or consider themselves a "classical liberal"* while spreading alt right propaganda - or for some solidly left leaning person to fade into social obscurity and return two hairs away from full on chimp-mode. It would be much more surprising for that to happen to a traditional right leaning conservative. It's also, as a movement, much more successful than people realize. We only notice the headline manifestations and it's visible presence on the internet, but a majority of america, for example, accepts some or all of the alt right platform - with most of them not realizing that it -is- the alt right platform.

There is, ofc, infighting in the alt right, and pointing to the warring factions of the alt right and their little disputes doesn't do anything to eliminate the alt right propaganda that a given rep has peddled. It's just another manifestation of the ideology seeking to distance itself from negative classification.

*fwiw, people forget that "classical liberalism" was an implicitly bigoted paradigm that spawned neocons and "reagan dems", lol.

[Sal]

You're literally saying that because an alt-righter breathes air, someone else who also breathes air is also alt-right. This is the so-called slippery slope meme, that people are radicalized because they read and watch "soft" alt-right material. People are able to think for themself, you know.

Tell me, do you think the OK hand sign is an alt-right symbol? Because I have bad news for you; so is the pepe, honkler and pepe's many iterations, the thumbs up emoji, shaking hand emoji, etc.

This kind of thinking is exactly what the alt-right wants. For people to concede ground to them, making them more influential - when they're really not. This is what has happened with "classical liberalism" in this instance. The Mises institute has a more reliable definition for "classical liberalism" than what has been given to by the alt-right or dreamt up by the left.

[Amarok]

I've watched enough videos put out by Sargon of Akkad to know that @Amarok is full of shit.

He's not alt-right. He's a centrist "classical liberal". He's on record to describe the alt-right as "white niggers", which is also why he's hated by the alt-right. Get your facts straight @Amarok.

The tweet towards a female MP (Jess Phillips) was "I wouldn't even rape you" in the context that she joked about male suicide rates and not what most have been told through MSM that it was about making criticism of feminism should be "unacceptable".

Don't get me wrong, he's no choir boy, but I repeatedly see these misrepresentations of him that are through the filter of the MSM that people take to heart. Which is also why Count Dankula (nazi saluting pug supreme) is still called a nazi sympathizer, when he explicitly made jokes mocking nazis.

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Case in point:



Vee explains it well what I'm getting at, how the MSM distorts people's perceptions. They're smear merchants.

1. I never said Sargon was a member of the Alt Right . Carl doesn't have the integrity too hold a real political position . But they certainly think he's a gateway to them and his following seems to attract a great many of them .So what was that about misrepresentation ?

2. Classical Liberal is a bullshit position and no Sargon isn't it .

3. I don't get my opinion from MSM I get it from knowing Carl Benjamin and seeing what a douche he really is. And I never brought up any of the stuff your mentioning so again what was that about misinterpretation?

4. Your source is VEE .........Oh Dear

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You're literally saying that because an alt-righter breathes air, someone else who also breathes air is also alt-right.

Wow that sounds like the logic Carl used on DR Richard Carrier

[Rev. Rye]

I've watched enough videos put out by Sargon of Akkad to know that @Amarok is full of shit.

He's not alt-right. He's a centrist "classical liberal". He's on record to describe the alt-right as "white niggers", which is also why he's hated by the alt-right. Get your facts straight @Amarok.

Technically, Sargon's kind of like Jordan Peterson, where, while he's not exactly alt-right, he's saying the sort of things that appeal to far-righters and manage to help radicalise people. That said, unlike Lobsterman, who's actually a pretty old-school conservative, Sargon's ideology is... honestly pretty incoherent; his views on wealth inequality are remarkably close to Marxism, but when it comes to social views, he starts crying Cultural Marxism at any sort of agitation for change in cultural norms, to the point where he even demands we shut down social justice classes in universities. And his fans... well, I'll just let Richard Spencer explain it:

And as long as he keeps doing what he's doing, he's going to keep attracting far-right-wingers and no amount of name-calling or spamming gay porn will change it.

[Amarok]

The tweet towards a female MP (Jess Phillips) was "I wouldn't even rape you" in the context that she joked about male suicide rates and not what most have been told through MSM that it was about making criticism of feminism should be "unacceptable".

Even though I never brought this up let's indeed put this in context . This whole thing started when a British MP suggested parliament have a forum on men's issues which was soundly mocked by the majority of the parliament not just  Jess Phillips .Who argued the everyday was men's day and that men weren't oppressed . After this she received hundreds of rape threat and Carl ever the class decides this is a good time for a joke. You can object to Jess Philips  insensitivity (and all of her  colleagues) but nothing justifies what Carl did. (and even more so when you realize Carl has mocked a rape victim that being the youtuber essence of thought  by telling him/her to "man up " and stop making videos about his/her rape )

He's on record to describe the alt-right as "white niggers", 

Funny you should bring that up because in one very interesting instance (perhaps the first ) he then goes on to say that white people shouldn't act like N words and should act civilized . Not to mention negative connotations to the use of that word in first place . This doesn't make him a racist it just proves he's an idiot who runs his mouth without thinking about how it makes him look .

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I've watched enough videos put out by Sargon of Akkad to know that @Amarok is full of shit.

He's not alt-right. He's a centrist "classical liberal". He's on record to describe the alt-right as "white niggers", which is also why he's hated by the alt-right. Get your facts straight @Amarok.

Technically, Sargon's kind of like Jordan Peterson, where, while he's not exactly alt-right, he's saying the sort of things that appeal to far-righters and manage to help radicalise people. That said, unlike Lobsterman, who's actually a  pretty old-school conservative, Sargon's ideology is... honestly pretty incoherent; his views on wealth inequality are remarkably close to Marxism, but when it comes to social views, he starts crying Cultural Marxism at any sort of agitation for change in cultural norms, to the point where he even demands we shut down social justice classes in universities. And his fans... well, I'll just let Richard Spencer explain it:

And as long as he keeps doing what he's doing, he's going to keep attracting far-right-wingers and no amount of name-calling or spamming gay porn will change it.

As I said Carl has no real values.

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Carl  doesn't need to be Alt right to fail . The fact he's embarrassed himself in high profile debate after high profile debate is enough .

[Pat Mustard]

He left because he could no longer keep up with shits like Yaxley-Lennon in the ugliness stakes and his ego couldn't stand being upstaged.  He wanted to be the new Oswald Moseley, only more successful, turns out he's actually the new William Joyce.

Wouldn't the new William Joyce actually have been Nick Griffin? At any rate, IIRC, it looks like Farage actually got further than Mosley did. Then again, I could be wrong; my main source for information on Mosley is The Code of the Woosters.

The BUF had near to 2m voters at one stage, and long into the war enjoyed the support of Lord Rothermere and his Daily Heil. Only for the war and the vagaries of FPTP he'd probably have had a long career propping up the Tories.

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"classical liberal".

Do you actually know what a classical liberal actually is?

It's a man (women not allowed to have politics, hurts their teeny-weeny brains don't you know) who favours free markets, no social protections for the poor, no regulations on business, regressive social policies and a religious tolerance that only extends to (barely) tolerating catholics and dissenters, atheists muzzers &c are right out.

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Part of how the alt right succeeds is through evading stigma carrying classifications.  That's the re-branding side of old ideologies.  The skeptic movement on youtube was immensely helpful in this regard.  For the past few years it's been the most productive entry point for alt right radicalization as introductory grooming.  People thoroughly in and acclimated to the alt right recognize this pipeline and milestones on the pipeline.  It happens in a way that the subject being groomed doesn't even realize where they're headed.  They think that they're skeptics, or that some presenter in question is a skeptic.  Rinse and repeat with socialists, environmentalists, rationalists, independents, etc.  The trick is to take some positively valued thing or movement and tie it into mainline alt right ideology so that rather than seeing the alt right for what it is, the notions expressed seem to lead inexorably to the quiet parts that we don't say out loud.  That moment when you decide which pill to swallow, lol.

Contrary to popular belief, the alt right isn't full of rightwing nutballs, it targets the disaffected left.  The rightwing nutballs..cuckservatives... are perfectly content, by and large, with their preexisting conditions and platforms.  This is why it's not actually surprising to find someone call or consider themselves a "classical liberal"* while spreading alt right propaganda - or for some solidly left leaning person to fade into social obscurity and return two hairs away from full on chimp-mode.  It would be much more surprising for that to happen to a traditional right leaning conservative.  It's also, as a movement, much more successful than people realize.  We only notice the headline manifestations and it's visible presence on the internet, but a majority of america, for example, accepts some or all of the alt right platform - with most of them not realizing that it -is- the alt right platform.

There is, ofc, infighting in the alt right, and pointing to the warring factions of the alt right and their little disputes doesn't do anything to eliminate the alt right propaganda that a given rep has peddled.  It's just another manifestation of the ideology seeking to distance itself from negative classification.  

*fwiw, people forget that "classical liberalism" was an implicitly bigoted paradigm that spawned neocons and "reagan dems", lol.

It's a policy that has a long heritage. The Nazi ranks (especially with the brownshirts) was filled with disaffected old fighters from the Socialists and Communists.

The only difference between Nazis and the modern neo-Nazis is that at leas the Nazis were proud of their politics. The modern ones are very scared of publicly announcing their ideology.