Christianity down, secularism up!

[madog]

"Commanded" well that fucker can fuck right off.

Look you little 1/2 monkey bastards I sent my son and gave him to you and you kicked his ass and killed him on a f-ing tree. So if the rest of you monkey mother having A-holes don't want to be treated like the actual guys who killed my son you will honor his name and what He did for the rest of you OR I WILL SEND DRICH TO SORT YOU FUCKERS OUT

*Fixed by me*
And if Drich fails to sort you out I will sulk 

[Jehanne]

Jesus is the World's biggest no-show; he is never, ever coming back, because, he is dead.

  No show to whom?

I got dragged in front of him.. (i'm not the only one.)

You mean for you... meaning you think you are the standard of the universe. IE if God does not pull out all the stops in heaven and earth to bow before you, there can be no God???

What if snow flake, you are one of a kind? what if God does not own you a personal magic show  till you make the same effort everyone else is commanded to make?

The so-called "second coming" hasn't happened, has it? It was supposed to have happened in the 70s, not to mention countless other times.

[Drich]

  No show to whom?

I got dragged in front of him.. (i'm not the only one.)

You mean for you... meaning you think you are the standard of the universe. IE if God does not pull out all the stops in heaven and earth to bow before you, there can be no God???

What if snow flake, you are one of a kind? what if God does not own you a personal magic show  till you make the same effort everyone else is commanded to make?

The so-called "second coming" hasn't happened, has it?  It was supposed to have happened in the 70s, not to mention countless other times.

You want to mock and want to strut how right you are but forgo the very nature of God to be right. In this case specifically you think so linearly with you at the center of the universe (meaning your personal understand and experience of life is all that can be) that you ignore a big part of wh God is and your own very nature and perceptions.

!_________________________________$_XX___________________*

do you see the above diagram? a ! then a ___ then $ the more _ then XX and finally another ___ and *

Let's say ! is the beginning of time.

Then ______ is all the time between day one and when ever Jesus was born. 

$ was when Jesus dies.

_ is the time between you and Jesus.

X is your birth the second X is your death

the _______ is all the time left after you are gone

* is the end of the reign of man. No more humans being born on earth.

Ok still with me?

How much time from the beginning of the time to your birth? what did it feel like? million years a bazillion years? or was their no feeling no account?

Now that you are alive you can only witness time a moment at a time as time goes by, and have to live out every second and experience every second. but again did you experience every second before you where born? no. no concept of time and or even consciousness..

So what do you think will happen when you die? when all of your internal clocks/this body ability to be locked in a moment of time and sense the passage of time dies?

It means we/whatever is left (IE according to the bible our soul) is ripped from linear time and place before God. who can view time just like you can view the time line I drew.

Do you understand? If this life sticks you on that line and you can only see one moment at a time, then death removes you from that line and allows you to view or see time as God has.

Meaning when you die, to you.. The second comming has already happened. Which is why post death conversions are too late.

Think about it look at how the book of revelation was written. not as a prophesy, but God took John and set him on a vantage point to see man's last days unfold. For John and everyone else on this time line we see it as a foretelling of a future event. in truth the book of revelation is written as a historical text. Meaning it was written after John saw what had happened. The book was written from a vantage point that saw the second comming come and go. Even if we on this time line can only experience the moments as they happen for now. 

But again when we die, and we leave this body and this time to be with God we will see time as he sees it. as being complete.

Again princess just because you view time one moment at a time does not mean the rest of the universe is stuck by your measure, ..

To put it another way. if we where 24 hour fruit flies we would literally have 24 hours to be born mature mate and die. Now just because we may have been born on a friday and will never see the end of the weekend it does not mean wednesday does not exist. In fact it would be quite foolish for the fruit fly to judge the rest of the universe based on it's personal experience of it's little corner and tiny little experience in life.

So again your measure of God of time of anything beside your own circumstance is foolish to mock just because you personally do not have experience with it.

That would be like saying firemen are stupid because you want to be a cop. If you are going to make a statement about firemen it would be wise to first learn about them and possible experience what they do before you make a final judgement, fruit fly.

[Amarok]

  No show to whom?

To me if course 

I got dragged in front of him.. (i'm not the only one.)

Cool story bro 

You mean for you... meaning you think you are the standard of the universe. IE if God does not pull out all the stops in heaven and earth to bow before you, there can be no God???

Nope nor do need to be for your god to reveal himself .I never asked him to bow just show up seems a modest request of someone who asks I devote my life to him and if he doesn't what reason do I have to accept his existence ?

What if snow flake, you are one of a kind?

Even if I were it's hardly important 

what if God does not own you a personal magic show

I didn't ask for one nor do I think i'm owed it . But by the same token I don't think I owe him anything eitherif that's the case .

  till you make the same effort everyone else is commanded to make?

He wants a relationship I couldn't care less  if that effort is to much for him he must not want it that bad . And I don't take commands .

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The so-called "second coming" hasn't happened, has it?  It was supposed to have happened in the 70s, not to mention countless other times.

You want to mock and want to strut how right you are but forgo the very nature of God to be right. In this case specifically you think so linearly with you at the center of the universe (meaning your personal understand and experience of life is all that can be) that you ignore a big part of wh God is and your own very nature and perceptions.

!_________________________________$_XX___________________*

do you see the above diagram? a ! then a ___ then $ the more _ then XX and finally another ___ and *

Let's say ! is the beginning of time.

Then ______ is all the time between day one and when ever Jesus was born. 

$ was when Jesus dies.

_ is the time between you and Jesus.

X is your birth the second X is your death

the _______ is all the time left after you are gone

* is the end of the reign of man. No more humans being born on earth.

Ok still with me?

How much time from the beginning of the time to your birth? what did it feel like? million years a bazillion years? or was their no feeling no account?

Now that you are alive you can only witness time a moment at a time as time goes by, and have to live out every second and experience every second. but again did you experience every second before you where born? no. no concept of time and or even consciousness..

So what do you think will happen when you die? when all of your internal clocks/this body ability to be locked in a moment of time and sense the passage of time dies?

It means we/whatever is left (IE according to the bible our soul) is ripped from linear time and place before God. who can view time just like you can view the time line I drew.

Do you understand? If this life sticks you on that line and you can only see one moment at a time, then death removes you from that line and allows you to view or see time as God has.

Meaning when you die, to you.. The second comming has already happened. Which is why post death conversions are too late.

Think about it look at how the book of revelation was written. not as a prophesy, but God took John and set him on a vantage point to see man's last days unfold. For John and everyone else on this time line we see it as a foretelling of a future event. in truth the book of revelation is written as a historical text. Meaning it was written after John saw what had happened. The book was written from a vantage point that saw the second comming come and go. Even if we on this time line can only experience the moments as they happen for now. 

But again when we die, and we leave this body and this time to be with God we will see time as he sees it. as being complete.

Again princess just because you view time one moment at a time does not mean the rest of the universe is stuck by your measure, ..

To put it another way. if we where 24 hour fruit flies we would literally have 24 hours to be born mature mate and die. Now just because we may have been born on a friday and will never see the end of the weekend it does not mean wednesday does not exist. In fact it would be quite foolish for the fruit fly to judge the rest of the universe based on it's personal experience of it's little corner and tiny little experience in life.

So again your measure of God of time of anything beside your own circumstance is foolish to mock just because you personally do not have experience with it.

That would be like saying firemen are stupid because you want to be a cop. If you are going to make a statement about firemen it would be wise to first learn about them and possible experience what they do before you make a final judgement, fruit fly.

So a bunch of nonsensical analogies , Appeals to the mysterious beyond as if that's suppose to impress anybody .Appeals to "it will happen someday " ,straw men of other people thoughts ,Rambly falseprofound deepity, Presumpostionalism without justification, And of course blather of convert or burn appeals to emotion . So a great deal of hot air .

[Jehanne]

That would be like saying firemen are stupid because you want to be a cop. If you are going to make a statement about firemen it would be wise to first learn about them and possible experience what they do before you make a final judgement, fruit fly.

Some days I wish that I was a fruit fly; they have lots of sex.

[Drich]

  No show to whom?

To me if course 

and what makes you think you are the standard of the universe? What or where do you source such pride to say, if God does not appear before me he can not exist? What if you are no one special at all? what if you are just some low level smow who is entitled to nothing? what then? Wouldn't that mean if you where to want to know the truth about God, you would have to seek him out on his terms?

Do you even know what his terms are?

If not then why are you still using yourself as a standard to determine whether God can exist?

Again billions if not trillions over the course of 2000 years has God show up for them. You are literally in the staunch minority yet, somehow that trumps everyone else.

I got dragged in front of him.. (i'm not the only one.)

Cool story bro 

have you heard it?

You mean for you... meaning you think you are the standard of the universe. IE if God does not pull out all the stops in heaven and earth to bow before you, there can be no God???

Nope nor do need to be for your god to reveal himself .I never asked him to bow just show up seems a modest request of someone who asks I devote my life to him and if he doesn't what reason do I have to accept his existence ?

To bow is to yeild or show respect. If you are supposedly serving God then why would God have to perform morder magic tricks for you? again who the "F" do you think you are? Would you ask obama to come to your house and do whatever you asked god to do before you decided to live under his leadership? God is not your little buddy. God is not your grandpa, you don't get to ask him for favors. In the start of your relationship you are more like a slave, who sold himself to God inorder to one day be considered a son. but now as a slave you do not get to demand god dance a jig before you or provide you with anew car or girl friend or even just show up for dinner. No You first have to do things on his terms. Show that you can listen and then he will reward you with spiritual fruit. later still you will be given spiritual gifts. So that you can use these fruit and gifts in his service, then you can begin to ask for things that you are ready to have.

Everyone want to start out as the CEO, no one is willing to work the mail room. But here's the thing.You can call yourself a ceo if you want just know God does not EVER have to acknowledge you as one. however he deals with his mail man every day.

What if snow flake, you are one of a kind?

Even if I were it's hardly important 

No you are the kind of snow flake that makes demands to the snowman he is apart of, which is why none of his demands are ever heard.

what if God does not own you a personal magic show

I didn't ask for one nor do I think i'm owed it . But by the same token I don't think I owe him anything eitherif that's the case .

You said "reasonable requests." A magic show is a metaphor for a "reasonable request" here sport.
Only those who seek eternal life and/or a relationship owe God. As not everyone is of or want to return to God.

He wants a relationship I couldn't care less  if that effort is to much for him he must not want it that bad . And I don't take commands .

actually you do all the time. You see red and blue lights in your rear view that is a command to pull over which you will comply and do, you get a demand to pay your taxes which you will do, you are commanded to live with in the moral frame work society compiles like it or agree with it or not. Just like when God commands us to live this life and decide whether or not we want to spend eternity with him or not, you will also comply even if your decision is made by defaulting to doing nothing.

That said I honestly do not care what you personally decide to do my only task is to make you aware of the truth. and that is God is not coming to you. You have to goto Him on His terms because he is master commander ruler king.. like those terms or not. Masters commanders rulers and kings do not grovel before the slaves. they do not perform magic they do not full fill reasonable requests. The slaves must obey and follow if they are to be recognised. That... is the truth as unsavory as that might sound to you. As humility subservience and service is just a temporary means to an end.

The story of joseph outlines what is required. he was sold into slavery and was made to serve, then falsely accused/faced trials and thrown into prison which help sharpen him into a better instrument, when given the oppertunity to serve the king by interpreting his dreams he did so accurately and saved egypt and even help consolidated it into a world power as they where the only country who had food stores that out lasted the drought. as a result still being a slave to pharroah, was put incharge and ran the entire kingdom of egypt with only the pharaoh/God he had to answer to.

Meaning as a slave of God I am far more powerful and influential than I could have ever been on my own.

---

You want to mock and want to strut how right you are but forgo the very nature of God to be right. In this case specifically you think so linearly with you at the center of the universe (meaning your personal understand and experience of life is all that can be) that you ignore a big part of wh God is and your own very nature and perceptions.

!_________________________________$_XX___________________*

do you see the above diagram? a ! then a ___ then $ the more _ then XX and finally another ___ and *

Let's say ! is the beginning of time.

Then ______ is all the time between day one and when ever Jesus was born. 

$ was when Jesus dies.

_ is the time between you and Jesus.

X is your birth the second X is your death

the _______ is all the time left after you are gone

* is the end of the reign of man. No more humans being born on earth.

Ok still with me?

How much time from the beginning of the time to your birth? what did it feel like? million years a bazillion years? or was their no feeling no account?

Now that you are alive you can only witness time a moment at a time as time goes by, and have to live out every second and experience every second. but again did you experience every second before you where born? no. no concept of time and or even consciousness..

So what do you think will happen when you die? when all of your internal clocks/this body ability to be locked in a moment of time and sense the passage of time dies?

It means we/whatever is left (IE according to the bible our soul) is ripped from linear time and place before God. who can view time just like you can view the time line I drew.

Do you understand? If this life sticks you on that line and you can only see one moment at a time, then death removes you from that line and allows you to view or see time as God has.

Meaning when you die, to you.. The second comming has already happened. Which is why post death conversions are too late.

Think about it look at how the book of revelation was written. not as a prophesy, but God took John and set him on a vantage point to see man's last days unfold. For John and everyone else on this time line we see it as a foretelling of a future event. in truth the book of revelation is written as a historical text. Meaning it was written after John saw what had happened. The book was written from a vantage point that saw the second comming come and go. Even if we on this time line can only experience the moments as they happen for now. 

But again when we die, and we leave this body and this time to be with God we will see time as he sees it. as being complete.

Again princess just because you view time one moment at a time does not mean the rest of the universe is stuck by your measure, ..

To put it another way. if we where 24 hour fruit flies we would literally have 24 hours to be born mature mate and die. Now just because we may have been born on a friday and will never see the end of the weekend it does not mean wednesday does not exist. In fact it would be quite foolish for the fruit fly to judge the rest of the universe based on it's personal experience of it's little corner and tiny little experience in life.

So again your measure of God of time of anything beside your own circumstance is foolish to mock just because you personally do not have experience with it.

That would be like saying firemen are stupid because you want to be a cop. If you are going to make a statement about firemen it would be wise to first learn about them and possible experience what they do before you make a final judgement, fruit fly.

So a bunch of nonsensical analogies , Appeals to the mysterious beyond as if that's suppose to impress anybody .Appeals to "it will happen someday " ,straw men of other people thoughts ,Rambly falseprofound deepity, Presumpostionalism without justification, And of course blather of convert or burn appeals to emotion . So a great deal of hot air .
[/quote]
Nonsensical= Me too stupid to understand and me too afraid to ask question. Me just misspell big word to hope to scare off religious man..

Let me ask you does it work? in person or online does general and sweeping dismissals work when ever you challenge another's intellect? What happens when you are called to specifically point outwhat you find "falseprofound deepity, " or what statement made was considered " Presumpostionalism without justification?"

Do you just double down and continue your ad hoc personal barrage/attempt to destroy the message by attacking the messenger or can you articulate your objections topically?

If so then please do so.if not then excuse yourself to the side lines and allow me freedom to speak to someone who doesn't default to 2nd grade personal attacks to try and quite a topic you don't know how to respond to unemotionally.

---

That would be like saying firemen are stupid because you want to be a cop. If you are going to make a statement about firemen it would be wise to first learn about them and possible experience what they do before you make a final judgement, fruit fly.

Some days I wish that I was a fruit fly; they have lots of sex.

for like 2 seconds.. plus how big do you think fruit fly junk is?

[downbeatplumb]

"Commanded" well that fucker can fuck right off.

yes commanded, what did you think, God was just offering suggestions? 

Your idea of god: Umm excuse me guys, umm if it's not too much trouble,, i set this whole deal u where you can go to heaven if you just maybe pay my some attention and listen up if it is not too much trouble.

God is closer to this: Look you little 1/2 monkey bastards I sent my son and gave him to you and you kicked his ass and killed him on a f-ing tree. So if the rest of you monkey mother having A-holes don't want to be treated like the actual guys who killed my son you will honor his name and what He did for the rest of you by following what he taught. other wise face the father like you had a hand in killing the son..

So command yeah? get it now?

Actually my idea of god is the same as my idea of Darth Vader in the prequels. 
A rather poorly written fictional character.

BUT the believers idea that this fiction COMMANDS we, who don't share that delusion and expect that we should still fall in line is annoying.

[Amarok]

I don't care DERPTiCH  so spare me your preaching