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Atheist who is having a crisis of faith
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RE: Atheist who is having a crisis of faith
(April 28, 2019 at 5:04 am)emilsein Wrote: I need some good logic to convince me to stay an atheist or at least an agnostic. I have been researching the bible and found out that throughout the old testament, well shit, it says that Jesus during his crucifixtion will experience darkness on the earth. And according to historian Josephus and Thailiius there was a weird omen that day. Now NASA just announced that there was a lunar eclipse during his crucifixtion time in a.d. 30, so now NASA is backing it up, not only that they say there was a lunar eclipse when Christ was born, they have been able to narrow it down. So knowing this could be a possibility and there was darkness during it, how do you explain it? How in the old testament, sprinkled throughout the damn thing they make literal prophecy about the earth being dark for hours, then it happened according to NASA. I am starting to wonder if this Christ fella might be real, but I need some logic, I am a schizoaffective type and have bad ocd so I'm writing this and reaching out to the atheist communityj. I don't belive much of the bible myself, I Do believe that he was crucified though and why would josephus  and thalius lie about the darkness? I get the Christians lying but not the others, Does this seem like it might make you believe? How do you explain the old testament knew about the darkness?

This comes off as trollish. 

Not a good idea to make your first couple of posts calling the word "atheist" a "faith". "Atheist" is not a "faith", it is a lack of faith, like an empty glass. It isn't a religion, or political party or economic view. Atheist merely means "off". Outside that, we are just as diverse in our politics and national backgrounds and classes as any other group. 

The bible, like all the holy writings of all the religions in the world, worldwide, are mythology. Humans back then made bad guesses as to the nature of reality because they didn't know better. For the same reason you rightfully reject claims of Thor and Apollo and Osiris.

Women do not pop out of a man's rib. Donkeys and snakes and bushes do not talk. There was no global flood. There is no such thing as a magic baby with super powers, and human beings do not survive rigor mortis as the death mythology would imply.

That was then, this is now. Humans have far better factual data about nature and the universe than the claims of antiquity.
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RE: Atheist who is having a crisis of faith
(April 28, 2019 at 7:07 am)emilsein Wrote: I guess I just don't understand why the Jews made up all that shit in the old testament to begin with. Maybe it was a solar eclipse, I don't know the info was kinda shaky and from very off websites that I don't really trust but, the fact that they think he was born during a solar eclipse b/c of facts or perceived info in the bible and josephus was talking about a son who was born at a simliar time and there was a solar eclipse. The old testament says that the days will be dark during while he's up there on that fucking cross, that's not just some vague prophecy, that's like saying I'm going to get some tabasco from Rita tomorrow, now that's exact, and eclipses don't have happen everyday like rain. Why diid the OT make up the messiah and then not believe in him when he came? Also have you studied the martydorm of the apostles, now we only have a few nonbiblical sources and yes that fuck Josephus is one of them. He says that Jesus' brother was martyred, why would he lie? B/c martydorm  is kinda strange, to say you saw him rise from the dead, not just dying for an idea but a lie, ppl don't lie, they do die for religion, but lies, just curious if this is making you question your faith , the fact that the eclipse literally happened when he was on that cross and that two secular historians say it happened, are we now going down the road  that their lying, and even NASA? does it bother you he had an eclipse at birth supposedly and at death, or you gonna chalk that up to chance to?

This will blow your mind.

None of it happened.

Those secular historians don't say what you think they did.



You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.

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#13
RE: Atheist who is having a crisis of faith
Nice, try, really. Hilarious 
But, isnt lying a sin? Huh
Cetero censeo religionem delendam esse
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#14
RE: Atheist who is having a crisis of faith
Have any of you actually ever searched for the evidence? I am doing that and finding some and it's kinda blowing my mind, now I know I seem like a troll but I assure I'm not, I'm just asking questions. THe fact that throughout the OT they make numerous litearal predicitons about the day going dark while being crucified, known as crucifix darkness, u can look it up in the wikipedia, and that NASA says there was an eclipse in the year most scholars agree he was crucified, that doesn't bother you? This doesn't hold any water to you? Explain to me why then just out of coinicidence when he was crucified, which of course many of you don't believe, probably from England, I know that's big in England, the Jesus Myth,did Josephus and Thalius say there was a darkening event and now NASA backs it up? Explain that and I will be an atheist, b/c it does take some faith to be an atheist, I mean nobody knows for sure and we don't know for a fact that all of science based stuff is 100%, now it's damn close enough with evolution, but still, just saying.
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#15
RE: Atheist who is having a crisis of faith
(April 28, 2019 at 7:15 am)emilsein Wrote: Have any of you actually ever searched for the evidence? I am doing that and finding some and it's kinda blowing my mind, now I know I seem like a troll but I assure I'm not, I'm just asking questions. THe fact that throughout the OT they make numerous litearal predicitons about the day going dark while being crucified, known as crucifix darkness, u can look it up in the wikipedia, and that NASA says there was an eclipse in the year most scholars agree he was  crucified, that doesn't bother you? This doesn't hold any water to you? Explain to me why then just out of coinicidence when he was crucified, which of course many of you don't believe, probably from England, I know that's big in England, the Jesus Myth,did Josephus and Thalius say there was a darkening event and now NASA backs it up? Explain that and I will be an atheist, b/c it does take some faith to be an atheist, I mean nobody knows for sure and we don't know for a fact that all of science based stuff is 100%, now it's damn close enough with evolution, but still, just saying.

You seem to be stuck on prophecy, so here are a couple of links:
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Biblical_prophecies
https://www.richarddawkins.net/2013/09/b...-prophecy/
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#16
RE: Atheist who is having a crisis of faith
(April 28, 2019 at 7:12 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:
(April 28, 2019 at 7:07 am)emilsein Wrote: I guess I just don't understand why the Jews made up all that shit in the old testament to begin with. Maybe it was a solar eclipse, I don't know the info was kinda shaky and from very off websites that I don't really trust but, the fact that they think he was born during a solar eclipse b/c of facts or perceived info in the bible and josephus was talking about a son who was born at a simliar time and there was a solar eclipse. The old testament says that the days will be dark during while he's up there on that fucking cross, that's not just some vague prophecy, that's like saying I'm going to get some tabasco from Rita tomorrow, now that's exact, and eclipses don't have happen everyday like rain. Why diid the OT make up the messiah and then not believe in him when he came? Also have you studied the martydorm of the apostles, now we only have a few nonbiblical sources and yes that fuck Josephus is one of them. He says that Jesus' brother was martyred, why would he lie? B/c martydorm  is kinda strange, to say you saw him rise from the dead, not just dying for an idea but a lie, ppl don't lie, they do die for religion, but lies, just curious if this is making you question your faith , the fact that the eclipse literally happened when he was on that cross and that two secular historians say it happened, are we now going down the road  that their lying, and even NASA? does it bother you he had an eclipse at birth supposedly and at death, or you gonna chalk that up to chance to?

This will blow your mind.

None of it happened.

Those secular historians don't say what you think they did.

Ok fair enough then why is this NASA thing being pushed and why are they now trying to say he was born during an eclipse and died during one? Do you think it's just a bunch of Christians trying to rationalize ? And I do understand that those seculars probably didn't say it, but NASA did, but most of the history was preserved by Christians, and so it's suspicious. This is a conspiracy theory though, being an atheist really is, but have you personally examined the evidence?

So you think it's just a coincidence that there was an eclipse that day? Or do you think the writers of the Bible did on that day on purpose and knew of the celestial events with their calendars? Was it a rigged job? How did they get it to match up today with NASA?
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#17
RE: Atheist who is having a crisis of faith
(April 28, 2019 at 7:15 am)emilsein Wrote: Have any of you actually ever searched for the evidence? I am doing that and finding some and it's kinda blowing my mind, now I know I seem like a troll but I assure I'm not, I'm just asking questions. THe fact that throughout the OT they make numerous litearal predicitons about the day going dark while being crucified, known as crucifix darkness, u can look it up in the wikipedia, and that NASA says there was an eclipse in the year most scholars agree he was  crucified, that doesn't bother you? This doesn't hold any water to you? Explain to me why then just out of coinicidence when he was crucified, which of course many of you don't believe, probably from England, I know that's big in England, the Jesus Myth,did Josephus and Thalius say there was a darkening event and now NASA backs it up? Explain that and I will be an atheist, b/c it does take some faith to be an atheist, I mean nobody knows for sure and we don't know for a fact that all of science based stuff is 100%, now it's damn close enough with evolution, but still, just saying.

Oh bollocks, ya silly twat waddle arse.
I don't have an anger problem, I have an idiot problem.
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#18
RE: Atheist who is having a crisis of faith
Just explain to me how they knew to set it up as the same day as the darkness. B/c you guys are going with a theory that isn't mainstream except in England, that the whole thing is made up, let's say that he was at least killed, how then did they coincide it with the prophecies in the OT? If I predict a celestial event and not in the age of reason or science, and it happens, not something that common, that doesn't strike you as proof? They said 10 times in the OT that the day would be darkness on his crucifixion, well NASA said in AD 33 there was an event, explain it
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#19
RE: Atheist who is having a crisis of faith
(April 28, 2019 at 7:07 am)emilsein Wrote: I guess I just don't understand why the Jews made up all that shit in the old testament to begin with. Maybe it was a solar eclipse, I don't know the info was kinda shaky and from very off websites that I don't really trust but, the fact that they think he was born during a solar eclipse b/c of facts or perceived info in the bible and josephus was talking about a son who was born at a simliar time and there was a solar eclipse. The old testament says that the days will be dark during while he's up there on that fucking cross, that's not just some vague prophecy, that's like saying I'm going to get some tabasco from Rita tomorrow, now that's exact, and eclipses don't have happen everyday like rain. Why diid the OT make up the messiah and then not believe in him when he came? Also have you studied the martydorm of the apostles, now we only have a few nonbiblical sources and yes that fuck Josephus is one of them. He says that Jesus' brother was martyred, why would he lie? B/c martydorm  is kinda strange, to say you saw him rise from the dead, not just dying for an idea but a lie, ppl don't lie, they do die for religion, but lies, just curious if this is making you question your faith , the fact that the eclipse literally happened when he was on that cross and that two secular historians say it happened, are we now going down the road  that their lying, and even NASA? does it bother you he had an eclipse at birth supposedly and at death, or you gonna chalk that up to chance to?

Wait wut?

The bible was written long after the whole Jesus thing.
It’s not like saying you’re going to get some Tabasco from Rita tomorrow, it’s like telling us you got Tabasco from Rita yesterday.
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#20
RE: Atheist who is having a crisis of faith
Total lunar eclipse

How Often Do They Happen? About 35% of all lunar eclipses in a calendar year are total lunar eclipses. On average, a total lunar eclipse can be seen from any given location every 2.5 years.

Crucifiction ... Resurection

How Often Do They Happen? Never
Religion is the top shelf of the supernatural supermarket ... Madog
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