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RE: [split] What is next for the United States? [GUNS]
May 15, 2019 at 4:30 pm
(May 15, 2019 at 4:29 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (May 15, 2019 at 4:27 pm)Brian37 Wrote: And while metal detectors do work, where does it stop, because schools are not the only place active shooters happen? This is ridiculous expecting every business, every grade school, every middle school, every high school, every bar, every shopping center, every movie theater, every office building in the country to have metal detectors just to coddle the insecurities of Rambo wannabes?
The cheapest way to reduce firearm violence is to vet better at the time of sale.
It isn't about coddling anyone's insecurities, it's about making tougher to get a gun into a school.
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I agree, but again, where does it stop because schools are not the only targets.
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RE: [split] What is next for the United States? [GUNS]
May 15, 2019 at 4:31 pm
(May 15, 2019 at 4:29 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: They're shooting at the kid from the windows, Boru. Getting bullets going both ways in front of a school.
Thanks. I had completely forgotten how the Caught In The Crossfire effect makes everyone safer. 
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RE: [split] What is next for the United States? [GUNS]
May 15, 2019 at 4:32 pm
I can walk in downtown Brisbane, without even worrying about getting robbed without a firearm. Same in Tokyo. And despite what one may think, they don't ban firearms in either country, they just do a far better job keeping them out of the wrong hands.
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RE: [split] What is next for the United States? [GUNS]
May 15, 2019 at 4:33 pm
(May 15, 2019 at 4:30 pm)Brian37 Wrote: (May 15, 2019 at 4:29 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: It isn't about coddling anyone's insecurities, it's about making tougher to get a gun into a school.
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I agree, but again, where does it stop because schools are not the only targets.
It stops at schools. Private businesses can make their own decisions about whether or what kind of security measures to implement. Schools are a little different.
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RE: What is next for the United States?
May 15, 2019 at 4:34 pm
(May 15, 2019 at 4:26 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (May 15, 2019 at 4:22 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: 1. No. All teacher's do not need to be armed - and It's unlikely any union would allow a teacher to be forced to carry. You are just making shit up here.
2. Duh. Sure - and they repell firearms as well? If a kid drives up to the steps, gets out of the car and starts firing - he' s going right past your metal detector.
You won't need it - the bullets flying past will clue you in that the kids armed and dangerous.
Try harder.
In that scenario, where is the deterrent factor of armed teachers? It hasn't deterred anything.
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No It's not a deterrence AT THAT POINT where the little monster is shooting at people. At that point -- having the fastest response possible with deadly force is the best response -- and this is the tactic that a majority of police agencies are now employing.
But they have to travel to get there.
The teachers are already there. And THEY CAN BE TRAINED. Perfect? No. Better in my opinion than cowering and waiting for minutes while the carnage ensues.
Where an armed teacher IS a deterrent is before the shooting. A coward is more likely to attack if he knows all of his potential victims are unarmed. Cowards LOVE those " gun free" signs...
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RE: [split] What is next for the United States? [GUNS]
May 15, 2019 at 4:35 pm
(May 15, 2019 at 4:32 pm)Brian37 Wrote: I can walk in downtown Brisbane, without even worrying about getting robbed without a firearm. Same in Tokyo. And despite what one may think, they don't ban firearms in either country, they just do a far better job keeping them out of the wrong hands. I have never needed a gun walking down a street in my life .
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RE: [split] What is next for the United States? [GUNS]
May 15, 2019 at 4:35 pm
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Exactly. Even if we had better vetting at the time of sale, as you very often point out, that isn't going to stop the guns from getting into kids hands, and we'll still want the metal detectors. They already have a guy with a gun in them, the SRO, and it might already be one gun too many. Predictably, an SRO doesn't seem to have much of an effect on active shootings, or any violence at all, in fact. We've dumped millions (state by state) into SRO funding. No relationships have thusfar been demonstrated. Giving the whacked out pot smoking kindergarten teacher a pistol is a downgrade...and are we expecting it to make a difference this time?
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RE: [split] What is next for the United States? [GUNS]
May 15, 2019 at 4:39 pm
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Quote:No It's not a deterrence AT THAT POINT where the little monster is shooting at people. At that point -- having the fastest response possible with deadly force is the best response -- and this is the tactic that a majority of police agencies are now employing.
Which will fail . That teacher will die and everyone else will follow
Quote:The teachers are already there. And THEY CAN BE TRAINED. Perfect? No. Better in my opinion than cowering and waiting for minutes while the carnage ensues.
Not really
Quote:Where an armed teacher IS a deterrent is before the shooting. A coward is more likely to attack if he knows all of his potential victims are unarmed. Cowards LOVE those " gun free" signs...
Lol shooters aren't cowards sick yes but not cowards . They don't care if they die in fact most do it because they hope they will die , And no the presence of a gun won't deter them they don't care ,And no they don't love gun free signs they do love lax gun laws.
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RE: [split] What is next for the United States? [GUNS]
May 15, 2019 at 4:40 pm
I wonder how legislators would feel about arming capitol tour guides. You know, just in case.
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RE: [split] What is next for the United States? [GUNS]
May 15, 2019 at 4:46 pm
(May 15, 2019 at 4:39 pm)Amarok Wrote: Quote:No It's not a deterrence AT THAT POINT where the little monster is shooting at people. At that point -- having the fastest response possible with deadly force is the best response -- and this is the tactic that a majority of police agencies are now employing.
Which will fail . That teacher will die and everyone else will follow
Quote:The teachers are already there. And THEY CAN BE TRAINED. Perfect? No. Better in my opinion than cowering and waiting for minutes while the carnage ensues.
Not really
Quote:Where an armed teacher IS a deterrent is before the shooting. A coward is more likely to attack if he knows all of his potential victims are unarmed. Cowards LOVE those " gun free" signs...
Lol shooters aren't cowards sick yes but not cowards . They don't care if they die in fact most do it because they hope they will die , And no the presence of a gun won't deter them they don't care ,And no they don't love gun free signs they do love lax gun laws.
Everybody's gonna die anyway huh?
What a jackass remark.
So in your mind - there's no point in even calling the cops.
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