trump announces his bid for reelection!

[Rev. Rye]

It's very interesting you will tolerate the most immoral and lying fool ever to occupy the White House because he gets you a few things you want. The ends justify the means. Utilitarianism. [...] Sure. Let's elect a rapist for pres, ... why ? Because he's good for the economy. Great moral stance that from a bunch of fake religionists who *claim* they hold a moral high ground. Bunch of fucking fakery.

And given that Trump once claimed so many losses that one year, two cents of every business dollar lost in the country was lost by him, I don't hold out much hope on his improving our economy. And really, the thing is, the more I look at it, his appeal doesn't even really lie in his getting people a few things they want; the most substantial thing he gives them is our rage, and because we rage, he wins, and so do they. And the depressing thing is, that seems to be more than enough for many people. Honestly, I get the impression that, at this point, many conservatives don't seem to even have much in the way of conventional morality. It's all about winning, the old-fashioned Master Morality, damn any sort of real moral high ground, and that's why Trump ended up winning the nomination, and the presidency; because he takes that subtext and turns it into text, and it’s text his base loves and the useful idiots like Drich just accept.

Honestly, it seems that conservatives seem fond of calling any public display of morality from anyone to their left "virtue signalling," and the more I see it, the more convinced that it's less out of a desire to call out moral peacockery (though I do think that's a thing to look out for, because there are Tartuffes everywhere), but because they legitimately can't fathom why anyone would actually express compassion towards people worse off than themselves other than to score political points.

[The Valkyrie]

It would be better if Trump announced his resignation and suicide.

[EgoDeath]

I doubt Trump will be reelected at this point, but unfortunately it's possible.

[Pat Mustard]

Nominal. And if you want to cross-reference those numbers, The Treasury's official stats on the national debt has that covered.

So they don't really give an accurate picture then. Time value of money basically dictates that a dollar in 1980 was much better than in 2016 (per this website 2.61 times more valuable based on inflation). So Reagan's $1.86tn would translate to $4.859tn.

Still not the same level as Obama, but considering that a big part of Obama's problem stem from Reagan's debt making and voodoo economics (albeit eagerly followed by his successors to the White House), it's not looking good for aul Ronnie Ray-Gun.

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I doubt Trump will be reelected at this point, but unfortunately it's possible.

In a democratic election he wouldn't have a hope. But then again, in a democratic election Clinton would have wiped the floor with him.

[Rev. Rye]

The point is that Reagan came close to tripling the U.S.’ national debt (and inflation has nothing to do with that point) while Obama only reached around the 80% range. And since Drich seems to forget where I source my info if I don’t keep including it in every post I use it in, here it is:

https://www.thebalance.com/us-debt-by-pr...nt-3306296

And if you feel the need to call bullshit on the numbers, feel free to cross-reference them with the actual numbers from the Treasury:

https://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/repo...stdebt.htm

And if you still think adding 8.5 trillion to the national debt is more than doubling an 11 trillion debt, while adding 1.8 trillion additional dollars to a debt that’s just under 1 trillion is just the cost of doing business, Drich, then I highly advise you to check this link:

https://www.smartickmethod.com/blog/math...-concepts/

[EgoDeath]

In a democratic election he wouldn't have a hope.  But then again, in a democratic election Clinton would have wiped the floor with him.

You can cite the if ands and buts of this situation until you're blue in the face. What are you going to do about it? I, for one, will be going out and voting against Trump, almost no matter who is running for the other side. Sort of like how the Repubs did to us in 2016.

[Rev. Rye]

In a democratic election he wouldn't have a hope.  But then again, in a democratic election Clinton would have wiped the floor with him.

You can cite the if ands and buts of this situation until you're blue in the face. What are you going to do about it? I, for one, will be going out and voting against Trump, almost no matter who is running for the other side. Sort of like how the Repubs did to us in 2016.

Pretty much the same thing I've been doing since I was able to vote. And before then, well, given that that was preceded by seven years of Dubya (I first voted in the 2008 Democratic Primary), the Republicans didn't have anything to recommend them. Hell, when I voted by mail-in vote, only 9 of the 28 offices being voted upon even had a Republican candidate. My living in Skokie might have something to do with it.

[Drich]

Trump is set this evening to hold a rally in my home town of orlando Fl. they had tickets (free but you have to go to a web site and print them off) They have issued over 100,000 tickets as of yesterday mornings news. the arena only holds 25,000 people. they are first come first serve. there are several thousand people in line since yesterday. they had to shut down the adjacent streets yesterday. all to hear this 'hated' president speak for an hour or so. just heard everything shut down around the arena which is centurally located downtown. so a 1/3 of the city is closed

Meanwhile the big trump killing candidate who holds the lead in the polls over trump rented out a convention hall, (1000 people) but had to downsize to just one of the back conference room (100+people) HALL WAYS ( a few dozen people) because he didn't have 100 people come out.

My question to you all is, do you truly hate living in one of the most prosperous times this century has seen, that despite any benefit you are now living in, would still want to see a socialist regime be put in place that limits our constitutional freedoms (the dims have already tried to remove the first amendment and replace it with reasonable speech bill) send our money over seas along with our jobs and any hope of living a life not complete dependent on the government?

For those of you would would line up in a convention center hall way to see a man who could defeat trump, what is the appeal? what do you get? why not allow the grown ups run things for a while make everyone some money so the millennial can at least know what it is like to have money you do not need sitting in the bank or in an investment. to have a very good paying job and to have peace at mind, before you take all of that away and give away all your constitutional rights.

Next question when trump wins again and when the cue this time is not some covert FBI game the dims want to play blaming trump with Russian collusion, but a real guns out cue, how many of you will be willing to invade DC?

or are you just going to get madonna up on stage talking about her 80 year old worn out bits again?

If not that, what will you do when trump wins again?


Can any of you see the news you get about trump is absolutely biased and out right lies to you? meaning all the BS you hate is either over inflated or an outright lie. Take your biggest hate on trump and google it. don't read the crap you normally do, and you will see nothing holds water. 
Literally not one story broke about all of the supposed scandels panned out to be true.

What is true is trump does not play the game that people are now being indoctrinated to play in our 'schools.' That is the only reason he is hated. he is a reminder than one does not need to be apart of group think to be the leader of the free word.

simply b

Too bad simpleton. He is hated for FAR FAR more than your childish self-talk.
The rallies don't change the fact that all Trump has, is his idiot base, which is a decided minority. He can't win without expanding it. He can't.
The reason the economy is so great, is that OBAMA set it on a winning path after the REPUBLICANS caused the greatest recession since the Depression. 
CNBC did a poll last week of Warren's wealth tax. 60 % of the multimillionaires polled supported it. All your bullshit claims about socialism are false. That's what they said about Social Security and Medicaid and Obama Care. Now US citizens wouldn't do without them.

It's very interesting you will tolerate the most immoral and lying fool ever to occupy the White House because he gets you a few things you want. The ends justify the means. Utilitarianism. The very philosophy until now, Christian philosophers decried and preached against. Time was when "conservatives" were real conservatives. Now all they are is "What do we get out of it". Bunch of brainless fools. Sure. Let's elect a rapist for president, ... why ? Because he's good for the economy. Great moral stance that from a bunch of fake religionists who *claim* they hold a moral high ground. Bunch of fucking fakery. What the hell ever happened to the "family values" bullshit ? Time to sic your "angry" Jesus on these republicunts. You never fail to use religion to attack those you dislike. Pull your angry non-hippipe Jebus out of your pocket and get to work.

Said Rachael Maddow of Csnbc news.. or is that a cnn soap box point, no wait that is the new daily show trevor what's his names main points, or no wait again is that just the majority/ flagship push back marched out by the "Dims" in 2016 right after the election, and you are not smart enough to keep your anti trump rhetoric current.

All the key words you used mean nothing. racist self talk idiot base immoral lying al of that is a fool's way of trying to push the cnversation into an emotional realm.. which is not needed when you have truth and fact on your side such as:

Obama clinton and everyone else said that if rump were to gain office the seeds obama planted in the economy would not grow under trump and the market would tank, and we would spiral into a great depression.
 https://www.investors.com/politics/colum...s-of-2017/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjp2-UpBIsc
https://www.google.com/search?q=dow+jone...=657&dpr=1
We are at 26,800+ points at the moment and not one of obama's financial policies made it through the trump administrations first year. NAFTA the china trade deal, the supposedly lucrative iran deal where we removed sanctions and paid them a 100 billion dollars.. Plus we have since given back 15% in taxes. If obama put or supported all of those things and needed them for his ecconomy to work... then would removing them like obama predicted cause the market to crash?

Pocahontas' tax on the rich is not well received beyond anyone besides those who created the bill or if they are not effected by it:
https://townhall.com/columnists/hankadle...a-n2547756
https://taxfoundation.org/warren-wealth-tax/
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/el...itutional/
 
socalism: Forbes says about 40% outright admit to having a socialist platform. other may deny it but still largely support radical left wingers like AOC.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/democratic...55546.html
https://www.forbes.com/sites/teresaghila...4b15ab1520
https://www.newsweek.com/democrats-want-...ist-629659
Newweeks says burney and polisi self identify has having a socalist agenda. Like it or not douche the dim's are slowly converting to socialism.


Note how you speak and how you support your ideas about trump.. all of it is based on mindless emotion and fear for the loss of your wicked value system. then you try and paint everyone who does not agree with you with the same fear and hate. what a mindless mob/group think thing to be apart of.. how can you consider yourself progressive when you are trying to rule through triggering caveman emotions?

Now look at how I supported my ideas and candidate. I used 3 points of vetted verified facts to support my claims ideas and numbers. my reasoning is based in fact and logic while you grovel for emotional outbursts and push the topic toward hate. Guys like you when the church was mandatory is what made the dark ages possible. now that you are free from God you have no excuse for your wickedness outside of just being a far less developed type of person, given to and seeks to be ruled and rule by emotion and group think. Not any group but those who think and want to be ruled as you do.

[Fake Messiah]

Jesus Fucking Christ! Listen to some of the dumpster fire in links that Dircho posts. This one is about how supposedly bad Elizabeth Warren's tax on the rich would be:

For example, Bill Gates has stated that he plans to give $90 billion to charity upon his death. If he is required to pay $50 billion in wealth taxes over the remainder of his life, that is $50 million that will never be received by any charitable organization.

Do I need to say more?

[Pat Mustard]

The point is that Reagan came close to tripling the U.S.’ national debt (and inflation has nothing to do with that point) while Obama only reached around the 80% range. And since Drich seems to forget where I source my info if I don’t keep including it in every post I use it in, here it is:

https://www.thebalance.com/us-debt-by-pr...nt-3306296

And if you feel the need to call bullshit on the numbers, feel free to cross-reference them with the actual numbers from the Treasury:

https://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/repo...stdebt.htm

And if you still think adding 8.5 trillion to the national debt is more than doubling an 11 trillion debt, while adding 1.8 trillion additional dollars to a debt that’s just under 1 trillion is just the cost of doing business, Drich, then I highly advise you to check this link:

https://www.smartickmethod.com/blog/math...-concepts/

Oh, I'm not disputing the numbers (in case that was directed at me). My little bit of google-fu was simply to show if you adjust for inflation Ray-Gun's performance comes out even worse (and probably worse again if you ever managed to get a proper measurement of purchasing power parity, inflation is a very imprecise measure).

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In a democratic election he wouldn't have a hope.  But then again, in a democratic election Clinton would have wiped the floor with him.

You can cite the if ands and buts of this situation until you're blue in the face. What are you going to do about it? I, for one, will be going out and voting against Trump, almost no matter who is running for the other side. Sort of like how the Repubs did to us in 2016.

Not my fight, lad. I'm Irish, where democratic elections are a given.

But it is a point that needs be brought up again and again and again and again and again. The US doesn't hold democratic elections, mainly because like it's exemplar the SPQR it is an oligarchical republic.