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[Serious] Comfort in Faith at Death
#31
RE: Comfort in Faith at Death
(June 25, 2019 at 6:21 am)prhill Wrote:
(June 25, 2019 at 3:22 am)Losty Wrote: I don’t see how.
Believing you’re passing on to a much
better place to be with people you love
and miss seems a lot more comforting
than believing you’re going to cease to
exist.

Then how come so many religious people are so sad and scarred when they are dying?

What are you talking about? I don’t think that’s true.
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#32
RE: Comfort in Faith at Death
(June 25, 2019 at 6:58 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(June 25, 2019 at 6:21 am)prhill Wrote: Then how come so many religious people are so sad and scarred when they are dying?

Because most Western religions have inculcated these poor saps with the notion that, no matter how good they were, they were never quite good enough.  Hammering the fear of everlasting damnation into the very core of peoples' beings is bound to make many of them a little antsy when near death.

Boru

Just another reason to be thankful I was never a believer wow!
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#33
RE: Comfort in Faith at Death
(June 24, 2019 at 8:48 am)Shell B Wrote:
(June 24, 2019 at 5:24 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: People see their loved ones and find comfort, at the end, regardless of their faith or a lack of faith. Except when they don’t, again regardless of faith or it’s lack.

It doesn’t seem as if any particular belief or even belief in general is the thing providing comfort when we can get it. I am an anti-theist...and while I’m no more bothered than anyone else when people attribute their state of mind to religion(and when that reported state of mind is actually positive, lol)...I just don’t think that whatever unspecified comfort theism may provide some people could ever balance the scales of effect.

In terms of seeing loved ones sure, but you’re wrong otherwise. People the comfort of theism is not unspecified or insignificant against a lack thereof.

I say unspecified comfort to allow for all the different things that theists believe, and believe give them comfort. Some of them die comfortable in the knowledge that the unbelievers will burn, lol. Others, that every sick and horrid thing they’ve done ( and leave behind for the living to deal with, bonus) will either be rewarded or washed away from them. As Boru mentioned, idk that it’s a scale between comfort at death and effect, but if it were, it’d be hard for theism to come out on top no matter how well comforted the departing party may be by whatever it is that comforts them.

The beliefs themselves are only significant to the believer. We, as observers, are more concerned with their comfort itself, not the variable means of achieving it, and their comfort certainly matters very little beyond that tiny sphere and out into the world significantly effected by theistic belief.
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#34
RE: Comfort in Faith at Death
(June 25, 2019 at 6:21 am)prhill Wrote:
(June 25, 2019 at 3:22 am)Losty Wrote: I don’t see how.
Believing you’re passing on to a much
better place to be with people you love
and miss seems a lot more comforting
than believing you’re going to cease to
exist.

Then how come so many religious people are so sad and scarred when they are dying?

I don't see any evidence for that.
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#35
RE: Comfort in Faith at Death
(June 23, 2019 at 8:54 pm)Shell B Wrote: So, one of the only reasons why I'm not anti-theist is that I see a good reason why people are religious-comfort. I know that death is frightening, but my mother has been dying for six months and hasn't shed a tear. She knows she'll be with her dead family and god, the god she believes in, who is loving and kind. She is starting to see her aunt, who passed away a long time ago. That comforts her. I'll tell you what, I'm quite happy for her faith now that she's at the point of death. It has given her a coping mechanism that is deeply ingrained in her psyche. For her, Heaven awaits her. It's a beautiful thing. There isn't a single ounce of harm in it.

How do you feel about finding comfort in faith while dying? Please don't use my mother's situation as an example. I'm bound to take debate about it personally.

What or why people find comfort in death in God is because through out life God has been made evident, we see promises in the bible to us being kept as we move from trial to trial and towards the end greater understanding and wisdom opens a desire to go home. we see what the world is for what it is and as we get older we can understand why it is said this world is not our home. at some point it will be more desirable to go home than to remain here. For the faithful God has a way of transitioning us from a want to live to want to go home mentality. This sort of thing is not a faith thing as faith disolves into belief when you start working with God through your life's trials. you will begin to see him move and make things move in your life to help you spiritually grow till towards the end it is no long a simple belief but the next logical step in our development.

I can only imagine what it is like on the outside looking in without any knowledge of God at all. death must be a terrible thing. maybe that is why pop morality deems it the worst crime/sin (to cause premature death) 

Then I can also see why one would resent or hate the idea that God or anyone judges what you do is not good enough to in a since earn eternal life as well. but only if you could understand this is not the old testament and the idea of being good is not how it works. It is aboutrespecting Jesus and what he did to allow for us to enter heaven. we must acknowledge what he did and follow his teaching not out of obligation but love or if that word means the wrong thing, agape' (heart felt respect honor duty) To which Jesus only gave us two commands. Agape' the father with all that we are and treat others the way you want God to treat you. If you want forgiveness and to be accepted then you must forgive and accept.

Last coherent thing my dad and i discussed was if he did not wake u from the surgery he was ok with it. he felt his time in church (just this last year) he had done what he needed to do to move on.
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#36
RE: Comfort in Faith at Death
(June 25, 2019 at 9:19 am)Shell B Wrote:
(June 25, 2019 at 6:21 am)prhill Wrote: Then how come so many religious people are so sad and scarred when they are dying?

I don't see any evidence for that.

Maybe you dont know religious people. I have known tons
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#37
RE: Comfort in Faith at Death
(June 23, 2019 at 8:54 pm)Shell B Wrote: So, one of the only reasons why I'm not anti-theist is that I see a good reason why people are religious-comfort. I know that death is frightening, but my mother has been dying for six months and hasn't shed a tear. She knows she'll be with her dead family and god, the god she believes in, who is loving and kind. She is starting to see her aunt, who passed away a long time ago. That comforts her. I'll tell you what, I'm quite happy for her faith now that she's at the point of death. It has given her a coping mechanism that is deeply ingrained in her psyche. For her, Heaven awaits her. It's a beautiful thing. There isn't a single ounce of harm in it.

How do you feel about finding comfort in faith while dying? Please don't use my mother's situation as an example. I'm bound to take debate about it personally.

Exactly like you do. I'll add that I envy people who have this kind of faith for the reasons you talk about.
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#38
RE: Comfort in Faith at Death
(June 25, 2019 at 6:54 pm)prhill Wrote:
(June 25, 2019 at 9:19 am)Shell B Wrote: I don't see any evidence for that.

Maybe you dont know religious people. I have known tons

I literally opened this thread with a story of a religious dying person with whom I’m intimately familiar.
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#39
RE: Comfort in Faith at Death
(June 26, 2019 at 1:19 am)Shell B Wrote:
(June 25, 2019 at 6:54 pm)prhill Wrote: Maybe you dont know religious people. I have known tons

I literally opened this thread with a story of a religious dying person with whom I’m intimately familiar.

I have known tons of religious people for decades
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#40
RE: Comfort in Faith at Death
Hmmmmm
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