How to easily defeat any argument for God

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

[The Grand Nudger]

Another theist gives up the game entirely. “Subjective” is whatever their god is not.

They don’t realize that their gods morality is the definition of moral subjectivity.

[LastPoet]

Another theist gives up the game entirely.  “Subjective” is whatever their god is not.

They don’t realize that their gods morality is the definition of moral subjectivity.

I'd like to see Acrobat (a contortionist is an acrobat, right?), debacle his knowlege of god with dmitry-whatever-his-name. An exercise in futility, yes, but

[Simon Moon]

And this, folks, is just one small example of just how immoral religions are.

Your subjective views on morality are irrelevant to people who believe in all-powerful creator of the universe

My morality is not subjective, it is objective, no gods needed. It is based on the objective facts about the universe.

This is not rocket science.

We all live in the same physical universe, subject to the same physical laws, with (more or less) the same physical bodies and minds.

The same things that are detrimental to my well being and ability to thrive, are the same things that are detrimental to yours. It is an objective fact, that cutting off my head is detrimental to my well being, and having your head cut off is detrimental to yours.

From this, we can extrapolate, that (with regards to well being), life is preferable to death, health is preferable to disease, freedom is preferable to slavery, comfort is preferable to torture, not having my stuff stolen is preferable to having it stolen.

Since the above is true for me, I can be certain, it is true for you (and the rest of humanity). From this, it doesn't take much to figure that both of us, would want to live in a society where, no one will kill us, steal our stuff, torture us, etc.

All it takes for an objective secular morality, is a goal (well being), a bit of empathy, and a modicum of rational thinking.

To understand why, let's say, slavery is immoral, all one has to do is ask the f'n slaves if it is good for their well being, and ability to thrive.

You are the one with the subjective morality, because, as Gae Bolga points out above, your morality is based on the subjective whims of your god.

[Dmitry1983]

It is an objective fact, that cutting off my head is detrimental to my well being, and having your head cut off is detrimental to yours.

So you are against abortion?

life is preferable to death

So you are against euthanasia?

freedom is preferable to slavery

So you don't have problem with Trump's draft dodging?

not having my stuff stolen is preferable to having it stolen.

Do you think that taxation is theft(some people think so) or that private property is theft and must be abolished/nationalized(some other people also think so)?

[Acrobat]

To understand why, let's say, slavery is immoral, all one has to do is ask the f'n slaves if it is good for their well being, and ability to thrive.

You are the one with the subjective morality, because, as Gae Bolga points out above, your morality is based on the subjective whims of your god.

Sure, a slave would likely indicate that slavery isn't beneficial to their well being. Something we might be able to say is objectively true. 

But how about the claim that slave owners ought not do things harmful to the wellbeing of slaves, or others? Is that an objective truth as well. 

Or is that a subjective whim you might subscribe to, but not an objective truth? 

Such claims appear to be built on the unspecified premise, that we ought not to things harmful or detrimental to wellbeing of others and ought to do things beneficial to well being. But is this also an objective truth? If I rejected it, I said no I ought to do whatever I want to do, regardless of whether it's beneficial or harmful to yours or the slaves well being, have I stated something false? Is it akin to claiming the earth is flat? Or just a rejection of some subjective goal/whim?

[The Grand Nudger]

We’ve gone over this countless times. Someone else’s necessarily subjective level of motivation does not effect a moral schema. If it’s true, and someone rejects it, it’s still true. People reject the truth with regularity, lol.

So, yes, if don’t harm do help is an accurate description of what we’re talking about with morality and normative statements....then to decide otherwise would be to choose a pleasant fiction.

Which people can, and do......do. Moral failure.

[Abaddon_ire]

It is an objective fact, that cutting off my head is detrimental to my well being, and having your head cut off is detrimental to yours.

So you are against abortion?

How dishonest of you. Exactly how many abortions are performed using this procedure and why? If you examined the data, you would find it is very few and they are mostly caused by people like you.

life is preferable to death

So you are against euthanasia?

Again dishonest. Euthanasia is not a monolith. Do you object to a terminally ill person choosing to end their own life?

freedom is preferable to slavery

So you don't have problem with Trump's draft dodging?

Trump was not dodging slavery. By definition, slavery cannot be dodged.

not having my stuff stolen is preferable to having it stolen.

Do you think that taxation is theft(some people think so) or that private property is theft and must be abolished/nationalized(some other people also think so)?

Do you think it would be fair then if you could refuse to pay your taxes but then be refused the use of roads, or schools in return?

What can we conclude from all of this?

You hate women.
You hate the terminally ill.
You endorse slavery and hate freedom.
You endorse theft and freeloading on others.

Nice guy.

[GrandizerII]

It is an objective fact, that cutting off my head is detrimental to my well being, and having your head cut off is detrimental to yours.

So you are against abortion?

life is preferable to death

So you are against euthanasia?

freedom is preferable to slavery

So you don't have problem with Trump's draft dodging?

not having my stuff stolen is preferable to having it stolen.

Do you think that taxation is theft(some people think so) or that private property is theft and must be abolished/nationalized(some other people also think so)?

What does it matter to you? If God said abortion is good, then abortion can be good.

[Simon Moon]

We’ve gone over this countless times.  Someone else’s necessarily subjective level of motivation does not effect a moral schema.  If it’s true, and someone rejects it, it’s still true.  People reject the truth with regularity, lol.

So, yes, if don’t harm do help is an accurate description of what we’re talking about with morality and normative statements....then to decide otherwise would be to choose a pleasant fiction.

Which people can, and do......do.  Moral failure.

Exactly.

Again, I am not sure what is so hard about this.