Is there any proof that humans are born into sin?...

[Matthew]

"Original Sin" is both a vile idea and a bunch of shit.

What is your understanding of "Original Sin"?

[FadingW]

There are some who believe that 'Original Sin' could be better understood as 'First Sin'.

It depends on the meaning of 'sin'. I am told that 'sin' is a term derived from archery meaning to miss the mark. So anything not hitting the bullseye is 'sin'.

If we take this to mean not perfect, then I think it can be admitted that no one is born perfect, and so follows that humans are born into 'sin'.

On the other hand, if we take sin to mean some evil action, the obviously kids haven't the mental/moral faculties to do much of anything.

It seems like even evangelicals believe in the blamelessness of children. Why else would people accept the killing of criminals yet not abortion? Obviously they must consider children to be innocent, if not sinless, and thus undeserving of any punishment or harm.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

"Original Sin" is both a vile idea and a bunch of shit.

What is your understanding of "Original Sin"?

Perhaps you'd like to give your understanding and its justification?

[KichigaiNeko]

"Original Sin" is both a vile idea and a bunch of shit.

What is your understanding of "Original Sin"?

Heterosexual sex between consenting adults....or at least that is how it comes across in that book. Poopooed by a bunch of homosexual perverts who don't want any competition for 'available sex toys'
meh

[Edwardo Piet]

What is your understanding of "Original Sin"?

When Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge and all their descendants are punished along with them.

[Matthew]

What is your understanding of "Original Sin"?

When Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge and all their descendants are punished along with them.

Indeed, that is a vile idea.

[Minimalist]

that kids have to be trained not to be selfish

Someone did one shitty job with these Wall St. fucks, then.

[Welsh cake]

I don't personally think that we are, but there are a lot of Christians who point to the fact that kids have to be trained not to be selfish, as one example, that we are all born into sin. They also pour scorn onto humanism, by citing all of the wars in the 20th century as an example that humanism has failed.

No proof whatsoever that we're born into sin. Not a shred. In fact we have photographic evidence the exact opposite seems to be true.



Now does that look sinful to you?

[Edwardo Piet]

@ Matthew's signature:

I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen, not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else.

I hate this quote because despite that it may be an attempt at poetry, it is utter, utter nonsense. We believe in the sun because we see it, if it was never there to be seen we'd only have reason to believe in light or some sort of light source we wouldn't have any need to believe in precisely the sun providing that it was truly completely undetectable. We believe in the sun because we know of it.

[Killman]

The idea that we are basically evil sinners from the day of our birth is quite pathetic. And no, there is absolutely zero proof for this moronic belief. People call me negative, well at least I don't have the mindset that we are oh so terrible sinners. Thinking like that would hurt my self esteem a bit.