God, Energy and Matter

[Anomalocaris]

A more clear demonstration of difference between what is, and what is wished, is hard to imagine.

Trump is taken to exist because demonstrably effective types of evidence of his existence is numerous, while countervailing evidence is nonexistent, despite his non existence being sincerely wished.   In other words, he existed in my mind because he exists in reality despite my wishes.

God is taken to exist because demonstrable effective types of evidence for his existence is nonexistent, while countervailing evidence is numerous, just because his existence is sincerely wished.   In other words he exist in your mind solely because you and mental weaklings just like you wish him to exist.

What I implied is that we don't make things exist.  You believe God doesn't exist and I do, but whether or not he exists doesn't depend on our beliefs.

 You certainly think you make things exist by wanting it to exist, even if you fear admitting that would make you look as insane as you are, which you know to be too insane for you to be taken seriously by most adult.   This is because you really have no other real other cause to believe god exists besides your strongly wish for there to be a god to coddle you, and yet you still do.

[Lek]

What I implied is that we don't make things exist.  You believe God doesn't exist and I do, but whether or not he exists doesn't depend on our beliefs.

 You certainly think you make things exist by wanting it to exist, even if you fear admitting that would make you look as insane as you are, which you know to be too insane for you to be taken seriously by most adult.   This is because you really have no other real other cause to believe god exists besides your strongly wish for there to be a god to coddle you, and yet you still do.

Ok.  You found me out.

[Anomalocaris]

 You certainly think you make things exist by wanting it to exist, even if you fear admitting that would make you look as insane as you are, which you know to be too insane for you to be taken seriously by most adult.   This is because you really have no other real other cause to believe god exists besides your strongly wish for there to be a god to coddle you, and yet you still do.

Ok.  You found me out.

So did most thinking people.   The total intellectual bankruptcy of the case for existence of any specific god is not exactly a new revelation hard to discover by the hoi polloi.   It is hard to imagine for majority of people with some exposure to modern education the belief in god is not to a considerable degree a reflection of cognitive weakness manifested by inability to gain control over the influence of one's own wishes.

[polymath257]

Well, I got a science lesson and some opinions and theories, but but I still don't whether or not energy had a beginning or it it has infinite existence.

That's because NOBODY knows for sure.

Nobody knows whether or not anything exists beyond our physical universe or if anything with different qualities exists or ever existed here or anywhere.

I don't even know what it would mean for something to exist beyond our physical universe (or multiverse)/

I'm also left to wonder if all of existence has any transcendent meaning to it or if we're "just here", and that's it.  You and I are living our lives trying to make them meaningful and also helping others to have better lives.  I guess you can accept that is all it's about, but it doesn't make any sense to me.  I see see to much evidence of supernatural existence and I know what God has convinced me of.

Why would you expect there to be some 'transcendent meaning'? For that matter, why would you expect that humans are anything other than a fluke in this huge universe? The only reason I can see is a form of ego: you don't like the idea that your life isn't really important in the grand scheme of things.

But the point is that a candle flame can give light and have meaning for a while, even if it eventually burns out. Life is more like that, in my opinion.

Fortunately, we're all free to choose our own paths.  I don't really try too hard to convert anybody who doesn't want to be converted these days.  It is true that you have to be willing to take that step of faith, like stepping off a cliff.  I'll continue to believe in God until something proves to me or convinces me of his non-existence.

It's usually a pretty bad idea to step off a cliff. Just saying.

One aspect is that 'non-existence' isn't the side that needs to be proved: 'existence' is. The burden of proof is on the one making the positive existence claim.

[Lek]

Well, I got a science lesson and some opinions and theories, but but I still don't whether or not energy had a beginning or it it has infinite existence.

That's because NOBODY knows for sure.

Nobody knows whether or not anything exists beyond our physical universe or if anything with different qualities exists or ever existed here or anywhere.

I don't even know what it would mean for something to exist beyond our physical universe (or multiverse)/

I'm also left to wonder if all of existence has any transcendent meaning to it or if we're "just here", and that's it.  You and I are living our lives trying to make them meaningful and also helping others to have better lives.  I guess you can accept that is all it's about, but it doesn't make any sense to me.  I see see to much evidence of supernatural existence and I know what God has convinced me of.

Why would you expect there to be some 'transcendent meaning'? For that matter, why would you expect that humans are anything other than a fluke in this huge universe? The only reason I can see is a form of ego: you don't like the idea that your life isn't really important in the grand scheme of things.

But the point is that a candle flame can give light and have meaning for a while, even if it eventually burns out. Life is more like that, in my opinion.

Fortunately, we're all free to choose our own paths.  I don't really try too hard to convert anybody who doesn't want to be converted these days.  It is true that you have to be willing to take that step of faith, like stepping off a cliff.  I'll continue to believe in God until something proves to me or convinces me of his non-existence.

It's usually a pretty bad idea to step off a cliff. Just saying.

One aspect is that 'non-existence' isn't the side that needs to be proved: 'existence' is. The burden of proof is on the one making the positive existence claim.

We both agree about the things we don't know. And yes, I like to believe that everything has transcendent meaning and I believe it does. Mankind has recognized this from the beginning. It's what makes sense.

[comet]

the more they align traits of the universe to the traits that god may have the more I am apt too believe in that type of god.

[Anomalocaris]

That's because NOBODY knows for sure.


I don't even know what it would mean for something to exist beyond our physical universe (or multiverse)/


Why would you expect there to be some 'transcendent meaning'? For that matter, why would you expect that humans are anything other than a fluke in this huge universe? The only reason I can see is a form of ego: you don't like the idea that your life isn't really important in the grand scheme of things.

But the point is that a candle flame can give light and have meaning for a while, even if it eventually burns out. Life is more like that, in my opinion.


It's usually a pretty bad idea to step off a cliff. Just saying.

One aspect is that 'non-existence' isn't the side that needs to be proved: 'existence' is. The burden of proof is on the one making the positive existence claim.

We both agree about the things we don't know. And yes, I  like to believe that everything has transcendent meaning and I  believe it does. Mankind has recognized this from the beginning.  It's what makes sense.

Who told you reality has to make your kind of sense?  Who do you think you are?

[Lek]

We both agree about the things we don't know. And yes, I  like to believe that everything has transcendent meaning and I  believe it does. Mankind has recognized this from the beginning.  It's what makes sense.

Who told you reality has to make your kind of sense?  Who do you think you are?

I just think I'm a person - no more special than anyone else.  Who do you think you are?

[comet]

That's because NOBODY knows for sure.


I don't even know what it would mean for something to exist beyond our physical universe (or multiverse)/


Why would you expect there to be some 'transcendent meaning'? For that matter, why would you expect that humans are anything other than a fluke in this huge universe? The only reason I can see is a form of ego: you don't like the idea that your life isn't really important in the grand scheme of things.

But the point is that a candle flame can give light and have meaning for a while, even if it eventually burns out. Life is more like that, in my opinion.


It's usually a pretty bad idea to step off a cliff. Just saying.

One aspect is that 'non-existence' isn't the side that needs to be proved: 'existence' is. The burden of proof is on the one making the positive existence claim.

We both agree about the things we don't know. And yes, I  like to believe that everything has transcendent meaning and I  believe it does. Mankind has recognized this from the beginning.  It's what makes sense.

we all agree that we are part of  larger more complex system.  And when we look at defining what life is it looks like we are part of something that may very well be alive.  At least thats what the data suggest. Its such a valid position that many militant atheist can't process it openly and honestly. Any more than a fundy theist can't openly and honestly process how far off base some of their stances are.

But there is no biblegod type thing or any over seer type thing keeping track of our habits.

[Deesse23]

And when we look at defining what life is it looks like we are part of something that may very well be alive.  At least thats what the data suggest.

What data?

militant atheist can't process it openly and honestly.  

Please define "militant atheism".