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How to destroy any argument for God
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 (October 3, 2019 at 9:02 am)Ricardo Wrote: Theists claim this to attack atheism! Very weak argument. To be fair, some atheists have used the claim to attack theism. It fails in both directions. Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
RE: How to destroy any argument for God
October 3, 2019 at 11:28 am
(This post was last modified: October 3, 2019 at 11:43 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Depends. Examples of believers are wonderful arguments for atheism and anti-theism, but non seqs for existential claims.
As examples. We'll use Bob. Bob is an aztec priest who rips out hearts to keep the sun, which is a personal and intervening god, alive. A person can point to Bob and say that it would be impossible for them to believe as Bob does, that ripping out hearts keeps the sungod alive. That susceptibility to these beliefs is unique to Bob's disposition in a comparison between Bob and ourselves. The inability to authentically hold such a belief is all that would be required to justify a persons atheism. Similarly, a person can point to Bob's actions and their real effects (as well as their complete lack of intended effect) as a demonstration of the sorts of behavior (and failures) that theism predictably amplifies. It is explicitly because of his belief in the personal and intervening sungod that he rips out hearts....and no amount of ripped out hearts fueled the sun. The example of Bob can competently demolish a range of specific theistic claims, as well..such as the universal belief that theism is soul improving, among the faithful. Clearly, by reference to Bob..it is not. His beliefs in no way improved his person. They are a free riding detriment.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
Have you been there?
The sun? No? Then how can you prove that the sun does not get fed ripped out hearts to stay alive? 
there is a lack of empirical evidence
Drich's OP: How to destroy any argument for God
Answer is simple: Unfalsifiability. This is the ONLY reason religion can even survive: Create a believable lie that cannot be falsified. It is also the only reason religion is capable of perpetuating its lies: No Evidence. What is ANY assertion that requires no evidence, no proof, cannot be falsified, other than a lie? This is the favorite tactic all religion uses. Unfalsifiability Defined: The offering of a claim/lie that CANNOT be proven false due to the fact there is no way to check/prove the claim/lie is false or true. I have an Elfin Goddess who lives with me by the name of Lysantra Tinathis. PROVE ME WRONG! ALL religion is Lies and Pure Evil. rmfr P.S. - 1Thess 5:21 Question all things and hold on to what is good. Yet you seem to hold onto all that is evil.
For me, it shall always be most important knowing how to think, rather than being told what to think, especially by Religious Absolutists.
 (October 7, 2019 at 7:19 pm)Arakish Wrote: Unfalsifiability Defined: The offering of a claim/lie that CANNOT be proven false due to the fact there is no way to check/prove the claim/lie is false or true.Can you falsify subjective experience? Quote:ALL religion is Lies and Pure Evil.Atheists killed 100 million people. RE: How to destroy any argument for God
October 8, 2019 at 4:59 am
(This post was last modified: October 8, 2019 at 4:59 am by BrianSoddingBoru4.)
Quote:Atheists killed 100 million people. Looks like we've got some catching up to do, dunnit? Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
 (October 7, 2019 at 7:19 pm)Arakish Wrote: ALL religion is Lies and Pure Evil. Even the local League of Evil isn't 100% evil. It's a lot of work to be that consistent. There are always puppies you could have kicked but didn't....
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
 (October 8, 2019 at 3:04 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote: [quote='Arakish' pid='1935635' dateline='1570490347'] (October 8, 2019 at 3:04 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote: Can you falsify subjective experience? Which is why subjective experience is not very good evidence (October 8, 2019 at 3:04 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote: Atheists killed 100 million people.Did they do it in the name of atheism or for other non-atheist reasons. Whereas the people that flew into the world trade centre definitely did it for Islam. The Ustashe set up death camps for their brand of christianity. The inquisition tortured and killed for Christianity. The crusades destroyed the inhabitants of entire cities for Christianity. Etc etc etc. Millions upon millions died for Christianity for multiple millennia. You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid. Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis.  (October 8, 2019 at 3:04 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote:(October 7, 2019 at 7:19 pm)Arakish Wrote: Unfalsifiability Defined: The offering of a claim/lie that CANNOT be proven false due to the fact there is no way to check/prove the claim/lie is false or true.Can you falsify subjective experience? No. Communist ideology killed millions. Very few, if any, have been killed in the name of atheism. Can anyone say the same about religion?
Dying to live, living to die.
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