(October 3, 2019 at 10:59 pm)Inqwizitor Wrote: How about the miraculous healing of Marion Carroll. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TO7PJkzcVU
Wow. She is one very lucky lady! She was healed by the power of God, and is also married to Santa.
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 Wow. She is one very lucky lady! She was healed by the power of God, and is also married to Santa.  (October 3, 2019 at 10:59 pm)Inqwizitor Wrote: How about the miraculous healing of Marion Carroll. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TO7PJkzcVU Haven't seen the video yet. Is this about spontaneous remissions? If so, there are various potential physiological explanations for those, and so they aren't really good evidence for a god. Anyway, will give this a watch later and what this is about exactly. RE: Evidence for Believing
October 4, 2019 at 7:15 am
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teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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Can't wait for Inqwizitors next example of a miracle... It's got to be an improvement to be sure, to be sure.
 (October 3, 2019 at 6:28 pm)Lek Wrote: Yeah. I don't think you're going to find the kind of method you're looking for. It's too bad because it seems that's what is holding you back from believing. I can see that, though you don't believe, you are willing to be open to it and I respect that. One of the problems with the usual recommended means of coming to a belief in the Christian god, is that if the same methods are applied to anything else, they'll also lead to belief in that: Krishna, leprechauns, Rael, etc. It's not a method for finding out what's true, it's a method to get you to believe something, and has the advantage of making you do all the work. It's like if a vacuum cleaner salesman could get you to spend a week convincing yourself that his vacuums are the best if you were skeptical about that when he first stuck his foot in your door.
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 (October 3, 2019 at 10:59 pm)Inqwizitor Wrote: How about the miraculous healing of Marion Carroll. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TO7PJkzcVU How do you know it was a "miracle"? How do you know the cause of the healing is not "unknown"? What method did you use to figure that out? Is it the "i have no better idea" method? Was it the "Post hoc, ergo propter hoc" method?
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October 4, 2019 at 11:37 am
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You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence. |
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