Evidence for Believing

[Cod]

How about the miraculous healing of Marion Carroll. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TO7PJkzcVU

Wow. She is one very lucky lady! She was healed by the power of God, and is also married to Santa.

[GrandizerII]

How about the miraculous healing of Marion Carroll. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TO7PJkzcVU

Haven't seen the video yet. Is this about spontaneous remissions? If so, there are various potential physiological explanations for those, and so they aren't really good evidence for a god.

Anyway, will give this a watch later and what this is about exactly.

[Cod]

Haven't seen the video yet. Is this about spontaneous remissions? If so, there are various potential physiological explanations for those, and so they aren't really good evidence for a god.

Anyway, will give this a watch later and what this is about exactly.

I've watched it four times. It's hilarious.

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Check this out Inqwizitor…

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-ne...is-9479608

[Fake Messiah]

[LastPoet]

Well the jews did kill jesus, that was god and the holy spirit in a threeesome

[Cod]

Can't wait for Inqwizitors next example of a miracle... It's got to be an improvement to be sure, to be sure.

[Mister Agenda]

Yeah. I don't think you're going to find the kind of method you're looking for. It's too bad because it seems that's what is holding you back from believing. I can see that, though you don't believe, you are willing to be open to it and I respect that.

One of the problems with the usual recommended means of coming to a belief in the Christian god, is that if the same methods are applied to anything else, they'll also lead to belief in that: Krishna, leprechauns, Rael, etc. It's not a method for finding out what's true, it's a method to get you to believe something, and has the advantage of making you do all the work. It's like if a vacuum cleaner salesman could get you to spend a week convincing yourself that his vacuums are the best if you were skeptical about that when he first stuck his foot in your door.

[Deesse23]

How about the miraculous healing of Marion Carroll. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TO7PJkzcVU

How do you know it was a "miracle"? How do you know the cause of the healing is not "unknown"?
What method did you use to figure that out? Is it the "i have no better idea" method? Was it the "Post hoc, ergo propter hoc" method?

[Gwaithmir]

What does this mean, that I have to be able to repeat a supernatural event under experimental controls so you can verify it? That's obviously begging the question.

How about the miraculous healing of Marion Carroll. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TO7PJkzcVU

What evidence is there that she was actually suffering from MS? There are a number of diseases which mimic MS for which diagnosis might not have been adequate two decades ago. What evidence is there that some form of divine intervention was involved?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_s..._diagnosis

[Simon Moon]

How about the miraculous healing of Marion Carroll. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TO7PJkzcVU

Oh Please...

When medical scientists are doing experiments with rats, the control group of cancerous rats have a certain percent (small for sure) that have spontaneous remissions. The scientists currently do not have an explanation for this phenomena.

Are these supernatural events? Is it your god responsible for curing a tiny percentage of rats? Is the rodent god responsible?

Why are these miracle healings always diseases that can sometimes have spontaneous remission on their own?

There have been several studies recently, that have shown that 20% of MS patients are actually suffering from other (much less serious) conditions,and have been misdiagnosed, by similar symptoms and misread MRIs. Stroke, nerve damage, spondylopathy, migraine can all mimic MS, and even the MRI will look similar.

And other patients have gone into remission for years.

From another study:

"The truth is that 15 years after the onset of MS, only about 20% of patients are bedridden or institutionalized. Another 20% may require a wheelchair, or use crutches, or a cane to ambulate, but fully 60% will be ambulatory without assistance and some will have little deficit at all."

"Perhaps as many as 1/3 of all patients with MS go through life without any persistent disability, and suffer only intermittent, transient episodes of symptoms."


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1069023/

So please, tell us how you or the church knows, that the most likely explanation for the 'healing' of Marion Carroll was a miracle, and not a natural and mundane explanation.

If your god can heal: cancer, MS, and other diseases that can go into remission on their own or be misdiagnosed, why can't he heal: spinal cord injuries, loss of limbs, end stage kidney failure, end stage liver failure?

Seriously, doesn't that sound like a mischievous and malicious god? " I can heal any condition I want, but I will only heal conditions that sometime heal on their own, or can be misdiagnosed. That will weed out all those arrogant critical thinkers, and I'll get to spend eternity with the gullible and credulous. Yeah, that's my plan".