What do invented saints tell us about Christianity?
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What do invented saints tell us about Christianity?
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 (November 9, 2019 at 3:08 am)Fake Messiah Wrote:(November 8, 2019 at 4:12 am)notimportant1234 Wrote: C'mon, people need a lot of saints in order for them to celebrate name birthdays(I don't know if that is a thing outside of my country). Yes, something like that. It is so widely accepted by society that I think it shifted from a religious custom to a social norm, at least in my country.  (November 9, 2019 at 2:45 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:(November 7, 2019 at 9:29 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: “Historyforatheists.com” I'm curious how you could reach these conclusions, since they are so wildly and obviously wrong. Could you give quotes from the site to back up what you say? I honestly can't understand why you say this.  (November 9, 2019 at 2:45 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:(November 7, 2019 at 9:29 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: “Historyforatheists.com” No it's not, man. The guy's an atheist who argues against Christianity as much as he argues against some beliefs atheists hold to, such as mythicism. I've been reading many of his posts on the net from a long while back. (November 9, 2019 at 2:45 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:(November 7, 2019 at 9:29 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: “Historyforatheists.com” I think that your completely false assessment reflects something that's important in answering the OP. You were able to look directly at that web site and then report that it is and says something that it isn't and doesn't say. Now maybe you were stoned out of your mind when you read it, and so you have an excuse. On the other hand, I would hate to think that your completely false statement was based merely on your desire to continue believing the common historical fictions about Hypatia, Giordano Bruno, and Galileo, etc. Christians who continue to believe historical fictions about St. George, etc., are probably much the same. Either they're stoned out of their minds (high on Christ!) or their desires overcome their ability to reason.  RE: What do invented saints tell us about Christianity?
November 10, 2019 at 1:44 am
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(November 10, 2019 at 12:47 am)Belacqua Wrote: On the other hand, I would hate to think that your completely false statement was based merely on your desire to continue believing the common historical fictions about Hypatia, Giordano Bruno, and Galileo, etc. This is a historian talking about Giordano Bruno. So tell me what historical fiction do I and we believe that differs from this historical account that, according to you, is falsely because we desire it? video:
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
 (November 9, 2019 at 2:45 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:(November 7, 2019 at 9:29 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: “Historyforatheists.com” Say what? It's Tim O'neill.
It's amazing 'science' always seems to 'find' whatever it is funded for, and never the oppsite. Drich.
Some of Carl Sagan's errors about history are addressed in The Cambridge History of Science Volume 2:
https://thonyc.wordpress.com/2018/11/21/...-skewered/ (November 10, 2019 at 2:25 am)Belacqua Wrote: Some of Carl Sagan's errors about history are addressed in The Cambridge History of Science Volume 2: Typical Belacqua - ignoring the posts that prove he's wrong. Again it is you who desire to believe in lies and historical fictions, so stop with further trolling this topic.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
 (November 7, 2019 at 4:33 pm)Belacqua Wrote: Of course it's common for ideologues to say false things about history in order to sell their beliefs. I find it interesting that you constantly feel the need to defend Christianity. For an atheist, youre an odd guy. Not necessarily a bad thing, but true nonetheless. Its as if youre unable to partake in a conversation about the flaws of religion.
If you're frightened of dying, and you're holding on, you'll see devils tearing your life away. But if you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels, freeing you from the Earth.
RE: What do invented saints tell us about Christianity?
November 10, 2019 at 5:01 am
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(November 10, 2019 at 4:31 am)EgoDeath Wrote:(November 7, 2019 at 4:33 pm)Belacqua Wrote: Of course it's common for ideologues to say false things about history in order to sell their beliefs. The flaws of religion are well documented on this forum. Some people seem to get positive joy from repeating the same flaws over and over. In fact I think some people would be satisfied if the whole web site consisted of a big red button that said "Religion Bad" on it, and you could come here and click on the button every day. Click really hard. The shocking thing for me is that the so-called reasonable people are so committed to falsehoods as well. I think we all know that the for-profit media corporations are only interested in money and not quality. Yet I'm continually shocked by just how bad the "successful" products really are. Sagan's Cosmos and Tyson's both repeated falsehoods about history. Stephen Greenblatt's book on Lucretius, The Swerve, was panned by real historians, yet given high-level awards by people whose ideology it flattered. Dawkins knows that his past books contain numerous errors, yet once again, in his newest one, he neglected to have it fact-checked by experts. The guy lives in Oxford, where there are any number of grad students who would do the job well and cheaply, within bicycling distance of his home. Yet he didn't bother. Hitchens' book is just embarrassingly full of errors -- not ideological things I disagree with, but facts about history that educated people know. If we lambaste religious people while repeating our own favorite falsehoods, we are just hypocrites. |
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What do invented saints tell us about Christianity?
