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RE: What do invented saints tell us about Christianity?
November 7, 2019 at 12:51 pm
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So Christians were taking other gods and Canonizing them into saints.
Because people believed in the legends and Christians were like "Yeah, we know that guy, he was actually a Christian named St. Achilles and not Greek demigod Akhilleus."
Or St. George is Canonization of the Druidic savior god Green George, the deified oak tree.
Gabriel archangel is deification of the planet Mercury.
Deification of the planet Mars is archangel Mikhael.
But Muslims did it too. Like Allat is deification of the planet Venus, as the mother of the male god Allah.
Al-Uzza Pre-Islamic deification of the planet Mercury.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: What do invented saints tell us about Christianity?
November 7, 2019 at 4:33 pm
Of course it's common for ideologues to say false things about history in order to sell their beliefs.
Christopher Hitchens, Neil deGrasse Tyson, and many others have done the same. They claim that Hypatia of Alexandria, Giordano Bruno, and Galileo were martyrs in the war of Christianity against science, when in fact this was not the case. By ignoring the facts, they recruit long-dead people as symbols for their cause.
https://historyforatheists.com
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RE: What do invented saints tell us about Christianity?
November 7, 2019 at 6:13 pm
Honestly, I think a lot of it was that in the early years, the Church just took what it could get. It seems the practice tapered off early in the second millennium, and, honestly, I Don’t think that in that period, people could easily check whether the story of a certain saint had any veracity to it,
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RE: What do invented saints tell us about Christianity?
November 7, 2019 at 7:05 pm
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RE: What do invented saints tell us about Christianity?
November 7, 2019 at 7:17 pm
They're still printing saints...and verifying™ the necessary miracles.
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RE: What do invented saints tell us about Christianity?
November 7, 2019 at 8:34 pm
You ever wonder who were, and what happened to, the resurrected saints in Matthew 27:52-53?
"And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many."
I have found the answer.
Quote:Why did God raise dead Christians from their graves at the time of Jesus Christ's crucifixion and resurrection? What happened to these saints?
Entombed Christians prior to Christianity? But wait, there's more.
Quote:After God brought the people mentioned in Matthew 27:52-53 back to life, they undoubtedly went back to their homes, where many acquaintances saw them. It’s hard to imagine how utterly startling such an experience would be for their relatives and friends!
The Bible says nothing further about these people God resurrected at Christ’s death, leaving us to conclude that they eventually died (again) and their families buried them (again). Along with all other saints who died, they await in their graves their resurrection to spirit life.
It's been said many a time, if you want to know the story of Christianity, Don't ask Christians.
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RE: What do invented saints tell us about Christianity?
November 7, 2019 at 9:29 pm
(November 7, 2019 at 4:33 pm)Belacqua Wrote: Of course it's common for ideologues to say false things about history in order to sell their beliefs.
Christopher Hitchens, Neil deGrasse Tyson, and many others have done the same. They claim that Hypatia of Alexandria, Giordano Bruno, and Galileo were martyrs in the war of Christianity against science, when in fact this was not the case. By ignoring the facts, they recruit long-dead people as symbols for their cause.
https://historyforatheists.com
“Historyforatheists.com”
That doesn’t sound like a propaganda site at all...
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RE: What do invented saints tell us about Christianity?
November 7, 2019 at 11:45 pm
(November 7, 2019 at 9:29 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: “Historyforatheists.com”
That doesn’t sound like a propaganda site at all...
Not to mention that it's a logical fallacy and off topic.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: What do invented saints tell us about Christianity?
November 8, 2019 at 12:20 am
(November 7, 2019 at 9:30 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: There are hundreds of saints (if not thousands) that never lived but have died for Christ. Some of them are: St. Eustace (general in Emperor Trajan’s army), St. George (dragon slayer who could pray so that God destroys pagan temples and kill its priests by fire rain and earthquakes), St. Christopher (Hercules-type guy who carried child Jesus over a dangerous river), St. Alexius Of Rome (son of a Roman senator), St. Philomena (who was so beautiful and devoted to God that emperor Diocletian killed her for not wanting to marry him), St. Catherine Of Alexandria (another one that was close to the Roman emperor who killed her because he couldn't win a debate with her and then her corpse flew in the sky to Mt. Sinai where there is a church devoted on her landing site), St. Veronica (who wiped Jesus' face and healed Emperor Tiberius with it, and is now practically depicted in every church on the Stations of the Cross, although she isn't even mentioned in the Bible), and hundreds more.
So what does that tell us about Christians and Christianity? Does it tell us that Christians love to lie since they made up thousands of people and claimed they were real?
Does it tell us that Christians don't care about reality? Because in spite of the Vatican admitting and removing some of them from the liturgical calendar, Christians persist to see them as inspirational and devote their lives (and churches) to fictional characters.
Does it tell us that Christianity is an impossible set of rules, so Christians needed to invent thousands of fictional Christians who followed Christian credo because real ones are so "bad" at it? Tells us about hierarchy and power structure. Being the middle man is what religion is all about.
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RE: What do invented saints tell us about Christianity?
November 8, 2019 at 12:53 am
(November 8, 2019 at 12:20 am)chimp3 Wrote: Tells us about hierarchy and power structure. Being the middle man is what religion is all about.
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teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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