[Serious] Singing the N-word

[Hillbillyatheist]

I think people should be able to do what they want. if you want to sing along with a rap tune that says racial slurs, free country baby! just know that some folks will get pissed off. its up to you whether you give a shit about that or not. LOL

Personally, I don't like rap music. I'm a country fan. (and I don't care if that makes some folks call me a racist)  anyway, I don't like being called a redneck by some elitist snob, like Bill Maher, used as a put down, but to be honest if Bill Maher was singing along with an Alan Jackson tune that had the word "redneck" in it, because he liked it, I wouldn't care. its all context for me. context should be the key. a word without context is meaningless.  

from my experience the same applies with black people. (or anybody really) Some will take offense, some won't care. knowing your audience is advisable though with controversial stuff like this, unless you don't mind risking the blow back. beyond that its an individual choice.  

anyway this thread calls for this hilarious clip from clerks 2.  WARNING: NSFW!!! (contains profanity and racial slurs) 

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Seriously, mate - what the fuck is wrong with you??

Boru

whats "wrong" with me is likely that I'm still a George Carlin liberal (I'd post an example but it'd be censored harder than the first clip I showed) in a new "woke" world where people don't have a sense of humor anymore. for those who didn't see it, the video censored there stared famous black comedian, wanda sykes as an angry customer dealing with a dolt who ignorantly used a racial slur and then dig himself into a deeper hole when confronted. and apparently here that's considered beyond the pale.  I think its hilarious. if you don't, that's no skin off my nose. but this here is an example of why I rarely post online these days.  I'm no republican but I honestly don't fit in with what passes for the left these days either.

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Personally, I don't like rap music. I'm a country fan. (and I don't care if that makes some folks call me a racist)  anyway, I don't like being called a redneck by some elitist snob, like Bill Maher, used as a put down, but to be honest if Bill Maher was singing along with an Alan Jackson tune that had the word "redneck" in it, because he liked it, I wouldn't care.

Redneck might be used as a derogatory term, but I don't think it's fair to black people for us to have that term compared to the N-word. Redneck, when used in a derogatory way, is just an insult. The N-word goes beyond just an insult.

classism vs racism. if you want to say blacks got screwed worse, I won't argue that point. I don't see how that negates mine though. I didn't make the case that they were equal. 

 in short what I was saying is context matters. white people say the slur in the movie roots and that used to be seen as a very liberal movie. I'd post an example but it'd likely get censored.  it's a movie about slavery. so white people simply saying the word in my view isn't racist, unless they are calling people that. in the case of rap, its the same thing context. without context a word is meaningless.  my second point is if you use the word some will take offense. some won't (black or white) and its your risk to take.  knowing your audience is key.  like here its against the rules, apparently in any context. LOL none of those points says anything about which slur is worse or which group got screwed worse.

[WinterHold]

Personally; I think white people should practice the same concept applied with "antisemitism" and never hurt black people in ways similar to the pas

Yeah, I do my very best not to own slaves or disenfranchise black people. I don't call black people the n-word or think I am better than any person based on my skin color or theirs. I find the very idea that I'm a racist extremely offensive because it runs counter to the ideas that I hold most important.

Upon further consideration of this conversation in particular, I realize that Broken Quill clearly thinks that all people should stop using the word, as evidenced by the opinion that rap that uses the n-word is sub-par. I can't argue with that, as that's a matter of taste, which is subjective. I don't completely disagree with you that it's an unnecessary word to use. I wouldn't write music with it in it, if that makes you feel better.

That said, I am not a person who thinks that black people using it presents much of a double standard nor am I put off at all by the idea that a black person can say it casually in conversation and I very much should not. I'm comfortable with that completely.

As time progresses the word becomes meaningless more and more, it naturally loses the meaning it had; calling a black person "N" today differs widely than using the word 200 years ago.

All that remains though is the insult if used in a racist manor. But I'm surprised that compared to other words like antisemitism there is no comparison in terms of political and social effect.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

whats "wrong" with me is likely that I'm still a George Carlin liberal (I'd post an example but it'd be censored harder than the first clip I showed) in a new "woke" world where people don't have a sense of humor anymore. for those who didn't see it, the video censored there stared famous black comedian, wanda sykes as an angry customer dealing with a dolt who ignorantly used a racial slur and then dig himself into a deeper hole when confronted. and apparently here that's considered beyond the pale.  I think its hilarious. if you don't, that's no skin off my nose. but this here is an example of why I rarely post online these days.  I'm no republican but I honestly don't fit in with what passes for the left these days either.

No, I meant 'what's wrong with you' in the sense that you can't understand a very simple rule.

I agree that it's a very funny scene from a very funny film (although not nearly Smith's best), but you aren't allowed to use racial slurs here, not even in the context of discussing them.

So, is it dyslexia?  A head injury?  Or is it that you think being a George Carlin (peace be upon him) liberal exempts you from the same rules that apply to everyone else?

Boru

[LastPoet]

To me its an US thing. It has become... cultural racism both ways.  Its something the US citizens should fight agaisnt not feed. But I am Portuguese and after your skin colour problems are resolved and you wish to bomb us, the capital city is Madrid.

Nah, no bombing, weaponized tularemia in rabbits we'll send at Easter. 

We were saving this for NK but you've given us no choice.

Remember, Madrid is our capital city.

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It’s also not up to you tell me a black woman not to be hurt or offended when not only black so called artist throw black people and black culture under the bus for the white corporate dollar but then you a white woman (who get uplifted in hip hop culture and stands as a pillar to the structure of colorism and anti-blackness) accuse me of virtue signaling on a topic that affects me as a black American. Don’t go there with me sweetie.

A side note, here in portugal the N word is the political correct word to refer to black people while the word black is taken as a racist slur. I usual refer to my black friends as Pedro, Cosme, or the very portuguese "mano"

[Hillbillyatheist]

whats "wrong" with me is likely that I'm still a George Carlin liberal (I'd post an example but it'd be censored harder than the first clip I showed) in a new "woke" world where people don't have a sense of humor anymore. for those who didn't see it, the video censored there stared famous black comedian, wanda sykes as an angry customer dealing with a dolt who ignorantly used a racial slur and then dig himself into a deeper hole when confronted. and apparently here that's considered beyond the pale.  I think its hilarious. if you don't, that's no skin off my nose. but this here is an example of why I rarely post online these days.  I'm no republican but I honestly don't fit in with what passes for the left these days either.

No, I meant 'what's wrong with you' in the sense that you can't understand a very simple rule.

I agree that it's a very funny scene from a very funny film (although not nearly Smith's best), but you aren't allowed to use racial slurs here, not even in the context of discussing them.

So, is it dyslexia?  A head injury?  Or is it that you think being a George Carlin (peace be upon him) liberal exempts you from the same rules that apply to everyone else?

Boru

I wasn't aware of the rule against posting any videos with the word being used, even in non racist context. given that the 4th post in this thread on page one contains a link to a video with the slur being used, you should be able to understand my confusion.   but if it's not allowed , well silly as that may be it's not my forum so whatever floats your boat. I barely even post here so it's not really something I care to fight about.

[brewer]

Nah, no bombing, weaponized tularemia in rabbits we'll send at Easter. 

We were saving this for NK but you've given us no choice.

Remember, Madrid is our capital city.

Continuing to lie to us will only make it worse.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

No, I meant 'what's wrong with you' in the sense that you can't understand a very simple rule.

I agree that it's a very funny scene from a very funny film (although not nearly Smith's best), but you aren't allowed to use racial slurs here, not even in the context of discussing them.

So, is it dyslexia?  A head injury?  Or is it that you think being a George Carlin (peace be upon him) liberal exempts you from the same rules that apply to everyone else?

Boru

I wasn't aware of the rule against posting any videos with the word being used, even in non racist context. given that the 4th post in this thread on page one contains a link to a video with the slur being used, you should be able to understand my confusion.   but if it's not allowed , well silly as that may be it's not my forum so whatever floats your boat. I barely even post here so it's not really something I care to fight about.

I missed that.  Thanks very much for bringing it to my attention.  The link has been removed.

And - for whatever it's worth - I don't entirely agree with this particular rule myself.

Boru

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And - for whatever it's worth - I don't entirely agree with this particular rule myself.

Boru

Rules are meant to be broken.

It is the only way we can adequately progress.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

And - for whatever it's worth - I don't entirely agree with this particular rule myself.

Boru

Rules are meant to be broken.

It is the only way we can adequately progress.

Good luck with that.

Boru

[LastPoet]

Good luck with that.

Boru

Muhahaha! Oh, ancient times.

I did had fun just me and kayeneh modding during the european morning.