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RE: Time to embrace Islam!
December 8, 2019 at 7:45 pm
(December 8, 2019 at 7:32 pm)no one Wrote: Are you saying the gays had all come together?
No. But as the report says, Karachi -which is a Pakistani city- is full of gays.
Personally; I witnessed a similar phenomena in Saudi Arabia; the "House of Islam". School days were "gay days" or "bisexual days".
People always find a way to practice what they want; even if the price was forming underground communities and breaking the shell they are trapped in. Remember Europe and the Church; stepping on people and enforcing rules that aim to control without an obvious reason then that society would break the bottle.
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RE: Time to embrace Islam!
December 9, 2019 at 5:51 pm
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RE: Time to embrace Islam!
December 9, 2019 at 6:16 pm
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Quote:My point is free will is a philosophical slippery slope, a retarded analogy with cops stopping rape just won't cut it.
No it's really not cops prevent actions that are freely chosen so can god but he chooses not to .Furthermore god choose to create being with freewill in the first place .So anyway you slice it your god is not just .
Quote:Of course, please come up with a better version than the warlord's Qur'an.
Why would an atheist start a religion? and this is a red herring
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RE: Time to embrace Islam!
December 9, 2019 at 6:19 pm
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(December 9, 2019 at 5:51 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: Omnipotent god wanted humans to have free will, therefore free will.
But if free will exists, god cannot be omnipotent. There is something over which it has no power, the will that is free.
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RE: Time to embrace Islam!
December 9, 2019 at 6:20 pm
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Quote:Empty claims as usual.
He didn't made it in such a way you wouldn't rage about it. ![[Image: hehe.gif]](https://atheistforums.org/images/smilies/hehe.gif)
Actually this is the empty claim and an epic non answer
Quote:Omnipotent god wanted humans to have free will, therefore free will.
This isn't an answer .Nor does it deal with the contradiction
(December 9, 2019 at 6:19 pm)Nomad Wrote: (December 9, 2019 at 5:51 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: Omnipotent god wanted humans to have free will, therefore free will.
But if free will exists, god cannot be omnipotent. There is something over which it has no power, the will that is free. Not to mention it actually undermines his case
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RE: Time to embrace Islam!
December 9, 2019 at 6:23 pm
(December 9, 2019 at 6:19 pm)Nomad Wrote: (December 9, 2019 at 5:51 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: Omnipotent god wanted humans to have free will, therefore free will.
But if free will exists, god cannot be omnipotent. There is something over which it has no power, the will that is free.
Agreed. If god does not know the future, then god is not omniscient or omnipotent.
Also...
To the OP, I repeat my question:
Why should I embrace Islam over the other Abrahamic religions? In fact, why shouldn't I embrace Buddhism, or Jainism, or Sikhism?
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RE: Time to embrace Islam!
December 9, 2019 at 6:24 pm
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Quote:You asked none. You just wanted to know why I claim that "most atheists from the West leave their fate for reasons specific to their religion", and my claim is almost a tautology (the valid type) that I observed from countless exchanges I had with nonreligious people.
No it's an assertion
Quote:I didn't claim religion is true because of its number of followers. I was just responding to your pathetic "second best" objection when you ran out of answers.
A task you failed miserably at
Quote:the meh version was man made - since it is reasonable to assume translators are not gods - so the translation being meh is not the original text's mistake.
Th fact a supposedly divine book would have meh versions speaks volumes
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RE: Time to embrace Islam!
December 9, 2019 at 6:34 pm
(December 9, 2019 at 6:16 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: No it's really not cops prevent actions that are freely chosen so can god but he chooses not to .Furthermore god choose to create being with freewill in the first place .So anyway you slice it your god is not just .
"Anyway you slice it" kind of answers should remind you of my warning : free will is a philosophical slippery slope.
Please refrain from mumbling quick objections until you have a sound case.
(December 9, 2019 at 6:19 pm)Nomad Wrote: But if free will exists, god cannot be omnipotent.
Such a good looking sentence. Please prove it.
(December 9, 2019 at 6:23 pm)EgoDeath Wrote: To the OP, I repeat my question:
Why should I embrace Islam over the other Abrahamic religions? In fact, why shouldn't I embrace Buddhism, or Jainism, or Sikhism?
Buddhism and Jainism reject any supernatural creator, therefore they won't be a significant upgrade over nonbelief.
I already gave two sufficient reasons to reject christianity and judaism. The first claims three gods in one, the second has absolutely no satisfactory answer to the problem of evil.
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December 9, 2019 at 6:36 pm
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Quote:Define child before complaining about how wrong something never happened is.
It's well defined and yes it happened if your stories are true
Quote:Please refrain from mumbling quick objections until you have a sound case.
Nah i'll stick o the fact that i have a sound case and all you have is evasion and empty rhetoric
Quote:Such a good looking sentence. Please prove it.
Logic proves it and you are a lazy apologist most at least try and defend this one
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RE: Time to embrace Islam!
December 9, 2019 at 6:42 pm
(December 9, 2019 at 6:36 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: Quote:Define child before complaining about how wrong something never happened is.
It's well defined and yes it happened if you stories are true
Quote:Please refrain from mumbling quick objections until you have a sound case.
Nah i'll stick o the fact that i have a sound case and all you have is evasion and empty rhetoric
Quote:Such a good looking sentence. Please prove it.
Logic proves it and again for refutation you are a lazy apologist most at least try and defend this one
How old are you kid ? If you want to increase your messages counter try that elsewhere please.
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