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RE: 10 Syllogistic arguments for Gods existence
January 10, 2020 at 2:49 am
(This post was last modified: January 10, 2020 at 2:53 am by Deesse23.)
(January 9, 2020 at 6:03 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: (January 8, 2020 at 3:02 am)Deesse23 Wrote: For the second time: No it does not!
It has nothing to do with the effects on our universe by changing fundamenal constants. It has nothing to do with the *fragility* (whatever you mean by that) of our reality. Our reality is actually pretty stable, for some 14bio years now.
What the butterfly effect shows is the effects by changing the starting conditions of complex, nonlinear systems (= our reality). The preconditions are changed, and the system is given. What you are referring to is changing the (behaviour of the) system itself, not the preconditions. Thats fundamentally not the same 
Applying the butterfly effect on the universe would rather be something like: Adding more (Or less) mass, or temperature, or whatever, with the fundamental laws of phsics being the same.
Changing fundamental constants =!= changing preconditions
Matter in fact; there is a time when a second big bang might occur -according the theory of The Big Crunch-:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Crunch
Actually if our deeds do affect the world, then they would also affect how the next big bang would happen: its magnitude, its productions too.
Making our deeds changing for our future.
If you read again what both of us wrote, then you´ll notice that your response is completely irrelevant to my objections. Imho this is your silent admission that you were wrong (we all are sometimes), but i would have prefferred you say: thanks for the correction.
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RE: 10 Syllogistic arguments for Gods existence
January 10, 2020 at 8:13 pm
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A "fair and just" god that doles out sentences, for disloyalty......that last eons? Human beings don't even live long enough to commit the amount of misdeeds to make that bit work. You could spend your entire life raping and pillaging, and after the first few thousand years of your sentence - you still have eternity left to go. The perpetual torturer is not just, it just loves torture.
Nah, it's ridiculous. The bigger question is what kind of person would want it to be true?
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RE: 10 Syllogistic arguments for Gods existence
January 10, 2020 at 8:16 pm
(January 10, 2020 at 8:13 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: A "fair and just" god that doles out sentences, for disloyalty......that last eons? Human beings don't even live long enough to commit the amount of misdeeds to make that bit work. You could spend your entire life raping and pillaging, and after the first few thousand years of your sentence - you still have eternity left to go.
Nah, it's ridiculous. The bigger question is what kind of person would want it to be true?
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RE: 10 Syllogistic arguments for Gods existence
January 14, 2020 at 3:29 pm
This guy has called the Atheist Experience numerous times, and Matt Dillahunty has repeatedly pointed out every fallacy and flaw in everyone of his arguments.
Not that there is any difficulty detecting every fallacy he is guilty of.
The fact that he is too dense to understand the flaws is another issue altogether.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
