[Serious] Trying close to my best to rationalize Christianity

[sausagerock]

Science fiction is ideas of what could be.
For example, Higgs Boson whas science fiction before proven. Even black holes were science fiction until the first photo of it. ET is a science fiction and so is simulation theory and therefore a creator or God.

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None of those examples require supernatural magic. Your creator most certainly does. Magic and science do not mix.

Simulation does not require magic.

[Paraselene]

The best we can do in rationalizing christianity is that men who create religions have an agenda born of pure imagination.

[brewer]

None of those examples require supernatural magic. Your creator most certainly does. Magic and science do not mix.

Simulation does not require magic.

Where in any of christianity does it claim "simulation"? And your creators story, the bible, contains plenty of magic.

Face it, it's a fantasy story made by man, the same as the comic Superman, only the bible is more disturbing.

[Paraselene]

Where in any of christianity does it claim "simulation"? And your creators story, the bible, contains plenty of magic.

Face it, it's a fantasy story made by man, the same as the comic Superman, only the bible is more disturbing.

When dealing with a conceptually fictional religion, a believer naturally has to concoct equally fictional theories to better cope in an evolving world.

[sausagerock]

Simulation does not require magic.

Where in any of christianity does it claim "simulation"? And your creators story, the bible, contains plenty of magic.

Face it, it's a fantasy story made by man, the same as the comic Superman, only the bible is more disturbing.

So you seem to have missed my point quite a bit, I'd even say completely. You are saying that what I explain to be metaphors in Bible are examples of magic.

If one is explaining a concept or principle to someone less developed (in this case more evolved civilization to a more primitive minded one) scientific terms are not the way to go for sure. Just like explaining a preschooler where do babies come from, more likely than not, you will use metaphors. That won't make it magic, right? Same thing that Nietzche did as well, or do you see Zaratustra as a fairy tale too, not philosophy?

[The Grand Nudger]

Sure, magic book is full of metaphors. Metaphors written by human beings, about humanity.

Do you believe in a metaphoric creator and a metaphoric simulation? Or do you believe in the presumed contents of magic book literally? You;ll get no opposition whatsoever on the first, here. That metaphors can be informative, and that they exist. It's the latter where you're going to stumble. The latter that you will have to rationalize.

[sausagerock]

Sure, magic book is full of metaphors. Metaphors written by human beings, about humanity.

Do you believe in a metaphoric creator and a metaphoric simulation? Or do you believe in the presumed contents of magic book literally? You;ll get no opposition whatsoever on the first, here. That metaphors can be informative, and that they exist. It's the latter where you're going to stumble. The latter that you will have to rationalize.

But at no point I was proposing to take those things literally, quite clear was the opposite. What are you referring to here?

[The Grand Nudger]

Bible is explanation and instructions given to us by creators in exile, a pretty good Turing test, I would say. 

Or, it's a work of fiction, heavily laden with metaphors, written by humans, to express their etiological beliefs and desires.

As I said, no one is arguing with you over whether metaphors exist, if that's the discussion that you think you've been having.

[LastPoet]

Betwixt! (<-just a test)

[brewer]

Where in any of christianity does it claim "simulation"? And your creators story, the bible, contains plenty of magic.

Face it, it's a fantasy story made by man, the same as the comic Superman, only the bible is more disturbing.

So you seem to have missed my point quite a bit, I'd even say completely. You are saying that what I explain to be metaphors in Bible are examples of magic.

If one is explaining a concept or principle to someone less developed (in this case more evolved civilization to a more primitive minded one) scientific terms are not the way to go for sure. Just like explaining a preschooler where do babies come from, more likely than not, you will use metaphors. That won't make it magic, right? Same thing that Nietzche did as well, or do you see Zaratustra as a fairy tale too, not philosophy?

Yes, this writing by Nietzsche is a fiction fantasy. 

And now you are a human that is making his own twist on a fantasy.

Edit: Most christians take walking on water and raising the dead as literal, not metaphorical. Are they all wrong?