[Serious] Trying close to my best to rationalize Christianity

[no one]

Puff the Magic Dragon is a book people can read. There are much older religious texts then your oh so precious babble, are you ignoring that?

[The Grand Nudger]

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We've already agreed that it's a bunch of metaphors - but there aren't any metaphors for simulations, let alone a "lead"...LOL!.... in magic book..because the people who wrote it had no idea what that was or would be.

The bible has 40 authors and has existed for thousands of years. But your ignoring that. Why would it be a magic book. Have you tried using faith? if it were a magic book that would mean everything happened by chance. Faith never works like a magicians trick.

Why indeed, but I'm repeatedly told that it is, so that's what I call it.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

You are confusing cognitive thinking with divine intervention. Just because humans have the competence formulate ideas, to rationalize and understand the natural sciences around them, to even use those skills to fabricate instruments to better enhance their survival, in no way, shape, or form points to a wish-granting magic sky fairy.

Human awareness, their intelligence, their ability to perceive, is not a conduit to the divine, it is simply the result of what the species needed to survive. Humans don't have much going for them. They are not particularly strong. They can not run too fast. They are not proficient swimmers. They can't fly. They do not have built-in camouflage. Their eyesight is not top-notch, nor is their hearing, or sense of smell. They are not venomous, They're not poisonous, or even faux-poisonous. They are just the most intelligent creature on the planet. They needed those big brains to out-think the rest fierce and vicious predators they shared the early Earth with. If they did not possess this capability, they would be extinct.

There are alot of differences between god and imaginary creatures, for one god has a book that people can read. History and scholars prove god exist. Everybody uses faith even you. God also has made us in his design the bible says. Where do conscience and morals come from? other mammals dont have them.

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We've already agreed that it's a bunch of metaphors - but there aren't any metaphors for simulations, let alone a "lead"...LOL!.... in magic book..because the people who wrote it had no idea what that was or would be.

The bible has 40 authors and has existed for thousands of years. But your ignoring that. Why would it be a magic book. Have you tried using faith? if it were a magic book that would mean everything happened by chance. Faith never works like a magicians trick.

On the contrary, faith is EXACTLY like a conjuror's trick.  It is 'the evidence of things not seen'.  You didn't see the secret compartment where the rabbit is hidden in the hat, so you have faith that it was magicked out of the hat.

Boru

[sausagerock]

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The bible has 40 authors and has existed for thousands of years. But your ignoring that. Why would it be a magic book. Have you tried using faith? if it were a magic book that would mean everything happened by chance. Faith never works like a magicians trick.

Why indeed, but I'm repeatedly told that it is, so that's what I call it.

So you're basing ideas about Bible from what other people tell you, just to be clear?

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The best we can do in rationalizing christianity is that men who create religions have an agenda born of pure imagination.

You can't explain why people suddenly needed religion since other animals don't.

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Lesson of the thread; Don't ingest mushrooms and watch the Matrix

Philosophy would die if we didn't do crazy shit.

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If you think that Nietzsche wrote "fiction fantasy" (I believe it is either fiction or fantasy not both,

Sure. So is it fantasy or fiction? Which? Either way it ain'it real.

das each of them include the other in some degree) in Zarathustra then you have missed his point as well or you really don't understand metaphors.

Metaphors? still no closer to a real god. Much like the countless thousands of claimed gods. Start again.

I guess I now have the honor to introduce you "philosophical fiction" what Zarathustra really is. If you don't even understand the form of a very simple and down to Earth philosophical writing then of course I don't believe we have a reason to discuss Bible philosophically.

Of course. The very last thing you want is to discuss what the bible says, because you have not read it.

We were not talking about Christians here we're talking about Bible

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Sure. I have read it and it is flat out immoral and evil. It is written right in front of everyone. You cannot pretend that your magic book does not state what it explicitly states when everyone can fucking read the sorry tome. That would be a lie.

And now you are making fictional claims that I don't want to discuss Bible even if it contradicts everything I wrote here
People and most of their culture outside religion is immoral and evil as well, what are you saying?

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If you think that Nietzsche wrote "fiction fantasy" (I believe it is either fiction or fantasy not both,

Sure. So is it fantasy or fiction? Which? Either way it ain'it real.

das each of them include the other in some degree) in Zarathustra then you have missed his point as well or you really don't understand metaphors.

Metaphors? still no closer to a real god. Much like the countless thousands of claimed gods. Start again.

I guess I now have the honor to introduce you "philosophical fiction" what Zarathustra really is. If you don't even understand the form of a very simple and down to Earth philosophical writing then of course I don't believe we have a reason to discuss Bible philosophically.

Of course. The very last thing you want is to discuss what the bible says, because you have not read it.

We were not talking about Christians here we're talking about Bible

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Sure. I have read it and it is flat out immoral and evil. It is written right in front of everyone. You cannot pretend that your magic book does not state what it explicitly states when everyone can fucking read the sorry tome. That would be a lie.

And now you are making fictional claims that I don't want to discuss Bible even if it contradicts everything I wrote here
People and most of their culture outside religion is immoral and evil as well, what are you saying?

[The Grand Nudger]

That's an opinion strongly influenced by the structure of abrahamic belief - not in any way a fact of humanity.

Anywho, yeah, I take people at their word when they describe their beliefs. What else should I do? They tell me that they think the book is magic..it hardly matters whether or not it actually is, that's what they believe. You believe as much as well. The negative connotation of the word being the thing you object to, not the content. Even if we supposed, for pure lulz...that we're living in a simulation created by some..whatever..the bible has nothing to do with that. Neither do any of our other magic books. If they did, that would be some powerful magic, since theres no way that the authors could have known anything about that, and did not intend to write anything about that, and in fact didn't write anything about that.

Then, somehow™, that just popped up in there.

OFC it didn't. As you mentioned so simply in the OP and in the thread title, this is a way to rationalize your view of christianity, this is the way you rationalize your magic book. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, and achieves no obvious purpose.

[Mister Agenda]

There's faith in the sense of trust based on evidence and/or experience (this chair probably won't collapse if I sit on it, the earth will still be rotating around the sun tomorrow, your spouse wouldn't cheat on you) and faith based on 'spiritual apprehension' like faith in Vishnu or the Rapture. When someone says you using 'faith' in the common sense as trust based on evidence and/or experience is the same as their faith, they're trying to pull a semantic switcheroo.