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By chance?
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RE: By chance?
(January 18, 2020 at 3:44 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(January 18, 2020 at 1:45 pm)Yukon_Jack Wrote: Since atheists believe in no God, what choice do you have but to buy into evolution? Duh.

As far as living creation coming into existence, EVOLUTION it’s ALL CHANCE mutations, the engine of evolution

Yes, mutations are random.  They are the building blocks upon which selection - a decidedly non-random process - takes place.

Please try hard not to fool yourself into imagining that your arguments are somehow new, unique or different. You are exactly like every other anti-science creationist, railing against what you don’t understand.

Boru
Essentially he will argue that anything that  isn't design is chance .Which is nonsense .
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#42
RE: By chance?
(January 18, 2020 at 1:45 pm)Yukon_Jack Wrote: Since atheists believe in no God, what choice do you have but to buy into evolution? Duh.

As far as living creation coming into existence, EVOLUTION it’s ALL CHANCE mutations, the engine of evolution

I have met atheists that don't believe in evilution as you would put it. Alas, even if evolution is wrong, bears no thought on gods. You are so simple minded to think its the only alternative. Mabe eternal hamsters. Russian hamsters.
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#43
RE: By chance?
(January 18, 2020 at 4:19 pm)LastPoet Wrote:
(January 18, 2020 at 1:45 pm)Yukon_Jack Wrote: Since atheists believe in no God, what choice do you have but to buy into evolution? Duh.

As far as living creation coming into existence, EVOLUTION it’s ALL CHANCE mutations, the engine of evolution

I have met atheists that don't believe in evilution as you would put it. Alas, even if evolution is wrong, bears no thought on gods. You are so simple minded to think its the only alternative. Mabe eternal hamsters. Russian hamsters.
Considering atheism existed before evolution was theorized so his point is moot . I accept science because it's so not because i have to to maintain atheism .
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 “No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?”
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#44
RE: By chance?
(January 18, 2020 at 4:33 pm)SUNGULA Wrote:
(January 18, 2020 at 4:19 pm)LastPoet Wrote: I have met atheists that don't believe in evilution as you would put it. Alas, even if evolution is wrong, bears no thought on gods. You are so simple minded to think its the only alternative. Mabe eternal hamsters. Russian hamsters.
Considering atheism existed before evolution was theorized so his point is moot . I accept science because it's so not because i have to to maintain atheism .

Yabut, my hipothesis on russian hansters creating the universe remains disproven? Big Grin
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#45
RE: By chance?
(January 18, 2020 at 4:19 pm)LastPoet Wrote:
(January 18, 2020 at 1:45 pm)Yukon_Jack Wrote: Since atheists believe in no God, what choice do you have but to buy into evolution? Duh.

As far as living creation coming into existence, EVOLUTION it’s ALL CHANCE mutations, the engine of evolution

I have met atheists that don't believe in evilution as you would put it. Alas, even if evolution is wrong, bears no thought on gods. You are so simple minded to think its the only alternative. Mabe eternal hamsters. Russian hamsters.

Well put. I know atheists who believe in all manner of silly things - tarot cards, healing crystals, astrology, and so on.

Nuttiness is no bar to atheism.

Boru
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#46
RE: By chance?
Thank god for that.
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#47
RE: By chance?
(January 16, 2020 at 8:31 pm)Yukon_Jack Wrote: Let’s suppose that a self-replicating RNA molecule would appear miraculously on early earth. that does not explain the origin of the information to make all life essential parts in the cell.

No serious biologist thinks that life started with entire cells. Your argument is a strawman.

Quote:If just ONE single protein or enzyme – of many – is missing, no life. If topoisomerase II or helicase are missing – no replication – no perpetuation of life.

Those are modern proteins. Why would you even expect them to be present? It's like arguing that fire couldn't have been discovered without the resources of the National Ignition Facility, so Prometheus dunnit!
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#48
RE: By chance?
(January 18, 2020 at 1:45 pm)Yukon_Jack Wrote: Since atheists believe in no God, what choice do you have but to buy into evolution? Duh.

I know this has been explained to you before, but here it is again.

Atheism is NOT necessarily the belief there is no god or gods, it is the disbelief in theist's god claims. My position, as an atheist, is theists have failed to meet their burden of proof.

Even if evolution were to be disproven tomorrow (it won't be, it's been observed), that would not offer a single shred of evidence that a god or gods were responsible. (Allegedly) 'Poking holes' in evolution, does not get us to 'god did it'.

Quote:As far as living creation coming into existence, EVOLUTION it’s ALL CHANCE mutations, the engine of evolution

Evolution (and abiogenesis) are not purely chance processes. There are physical laws that dictate the way chemistry works that is not chance. There are strict laws that dictate the way biology works that is not chance.

A specific mutation may be chance, but it is acted on by natural SELECTION, which is not chance. Notice the word "selection"?

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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#49
RE: By chance?
Wow you fool yourselves continuously by pretending that evolution is not random. That’s rich!
Without chance mutations, natural selection is totally meaningless. Chance is the engine and my how lucky mammals have been and all by chance, just like the butterfly w owls eyes!
And I’m the misguided fool?
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#50
RE: By chance?
Yes. Any other questions?
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