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By chance?
RE: By chance?
(January 29, 2020 at 4:50 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: I have seen this simplified into - have you ever seen a pack of wild poodles?

Having three couch potato Cavalier King Charles Spaniels I have to wonder that there could even be a smidgen of wolf left in them.  That is, until I saw them work as a pack to chase, corner and kill a few squirrels last summer.  After recovering from that mess I thought - yep, there's a tiny little bit of wolf left in there, if you squint you can see it.
I used to use wolves at a go to, I was a tour guide at the Endangered Wolf Center here. I was until I saw a pack of African Painted Dogs go after a raccoon that fell out of a tree into their paddock. Hungry

I would note that APDs were never domesticated, but several African tribes use their hunting system to great effect.
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RE: By chance?
(January 29, 2020 at 5:21 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote:
(January 29, 2020 at 4:50 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: Samurai crabs are not food crabs so humans don't prey on them anyway.

But humans do prey on them. Here's from an article

Quote:Samurai crabs do show us how quickly evolution works. What we have here is an instance of artificial selection, or a change in the physical characteristics of another species owing to the influence of humans.

Think of it this way, first comes the memorable sea battle, spawning legends. Next a fisherman finds a crab with markings on its back that look something like a human face. Does he eat it? No, that crab is thrown back. Now it has a survival advantage over crabs whose markings don't happen to look like anything to humans.

A cycle begins. Every generation that has a more human looking face stands a better chance of survival than the last. In time, perhaps over a thousand years, the originally random markings on Samurai crabs really do look like Samurais.

https://indianapublicmedia.org/amomentof...-crabs.php

They're tiny crabs, their bodies are about two finger widths across. Not worth trying to get the meat out of. Humans are not a significant predator of very small crabs, or at least the Japanese aren't. No one who has waxed on about how the markings could have evolved bothered to check if they were food crabs to begin with. It's just a coincidence. The patterns on these crabs evolved without human input.
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RE: By chance?
(January 30, 2020 at 11:31 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: They're tiny crabs, their bodies are about two finger widths across. Not worth trying to get the meat out of. Humans are not a significant predator of very small crabs, or at least the Japanese aren't.

Well they don't seem to be smaller than shrimps and yet people bother to catch and eat shrimps.

Besides it also doesn't mean they weren't bigger in the past. For instance some species of fish are getting smaller because fishermen's practice of throwing smaller fishes back to the sea.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12098697
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It's an example of pareidolia.
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RE: By chance?
(January 30, 2020 at 12:32 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: It's an example of pareidolia.

And that was the point. They kinda look like a kabuki mask, and Japanese fisherman selection makes the most convincing ones more likely to survive and pass on that look.
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RE: By chance?
Except that there's no evidence that they didn't look exactly the same a thousand years ago....

And raise your hand if you've ever eaten a tiny crab on purpose.
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RE: By chance?
(January 30, 2020 at 12:32 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: It's an example of pareidolia.

Which also explains why I’ve always thought Toshiro Mifune looked like a rather angry crab.

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RE: By chance?
Owl butterfly is also pareidolia.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: By chance?
Raise your hand if you don't think the Japanese eat some weird-ass shit.
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RE: By chance?
Here's a recipe for really small crabs



teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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