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[Quranic Reflection]: the true face of murder
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the true face of murder
(March 12, 2020 at 3:47 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Let's just imagine that there's some recalcitrant asshole...call him "The Grand Nudger".  Lets just say for the sake of conversation that he will continue to transgress...and will never cease.  

Your instructions...from magic book.....not hadiths, are clear, right?

My instruction is to fight you back just like you fight me; meaning that I will assault you the same way you assault me; following what the Quran said here:

Quote:Sura 2, The Quran:
https://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#aya=2_194

( 194 )   [Fighting in] the sacred month is for [aggression committed in] the sacred month, and for [all] violations is legal retribution. So whoever has assaulted you, then assault him in the same way that he has assaulted you. And fear Allah and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.

And another verse:

Quote:Sura 5, The Quran:
https://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#aya=5_45

( 44 )   Indeed, We sent down the Torah, in which was guidance and light. The prophets who submitted [to Allah] judged by it for the Jews, as did the rabbis and scholars by that with which they were entrusted of the Scripture of Allah, and they were witnesses thereto. So do not fear the people but fear Me, and do not exchange My verses for a small price. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the disbelievers.

( 45 )   And We ordained for them therein a life for a life, an eye for an eye, a nose for a nose, an ear for an ear, a tooth for a tooth, and for wounds is legal retribution. But whoever gives [up his right as] charity, it is an expiation for him. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the wrongdoers.


So what are you babbling about; again?

(March 12, 2020 at 3:51 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:
(March 12, 2020 at 3:37 pm)WinterHold Wrote: I'm speaking about the Quran alone. Both The Talmud and the Bible -though forged to the level of containing pornography- also contain fragments which remained correct.

But the forgery is clear here for example: the Talmud said that "only the life of an Israelite" worth the whole world; while in the Quran any innocent "soul" worth the whole world.


You can go back to verse 190 to find out; allow me to quote:


Then, they are the one's who fight me in the way of Allah, though immediately when they cease I shall also cease.

I am an atheist. I think Allah is BS. I will oppose islam whenever and wherever I happen upon the opportunity to do so. It is superstitious nonsense.

Now you are commanded to kill me by your super magic book.

What do you propose to do?

No. As I posted to The Grand Nudger, an eye is for an eye; I fight you when you come to my backyard carrying a rifle or a gun; looking to fight me.
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#12
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the true face of murder
There we have it guys, two bald men fighing for an hair comb. Hilarious
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#13
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the true face of murder
Oh I know right? Eye for an eye. Like..how..if I say that you're an ignorant barbarian who views his entire life through the prism of superstition - you'll wage war against me until I pay a tax or die - upon which time allah will pour molten lead up my anus.

Go fuck yourself Atlas.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the true face of murder
(March 12, 2020 at 4:15 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Oh I know right?  Eye for an eye.  Like..how..if I say that you're an ignorant barbarian who views his entire life through the prism of superstition - you'll wage war against me until I pay a tax or die - upon which time allah will pour molten lead up my anus.

Go fuck yourself Atlas.

No, you called me "a barbarian"; so now I'll apply the "eye for an eye" verse on you and call you an insult similar to barbarian....ummm neanderthal ?

Hey; neanderthal ! move it !!

But if you come attacking me with a bat, expect me to wield one back at you.
Keep it to insults; I'll keep it to insults too ! level it up; and I'll level it up.

eye for an eye. Fair and equal.

As of assuming that I will terrorize you, I say clear your chest a little, I just provided you with my personal constitution. and it says eye for an eye, not eye for a nuclear bomb
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#15
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the true face of murder
Heng? I don't assume that you'll terrorize me. I assume that you'll cower at home bitching about the great satan.

That's just you not doing what magic book told you to do, pansy.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the true face of murder
(March 12, 2020 at 4:44 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Heng?  I don't assume that you'll terrorize me.  I assume that you'll cower at home bitching about the great satan.

That's just you not doing what magic book told you to do, pansy.

You're free to believe what you want.
Just don't come to my backyard shooting at me or the innocent people I know.
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#17
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the true face of murder
IKR? Go, tell the others!
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#18
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the true face of murder
(March 12, 2020 at 4:49 pm)WinterHold Wrote:
(March 12, 2020 at 4:44 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Heng?  I don't assume that you'll terrorize me.  I assume that you'll cower at home bitching about the great satan.

That's just you not doing what magic book told you to do, pansy.

You're free to believe what you want.
Just don't come to my backyard shooting at me or the innocent people I know.

Sure. When will you stop trying to kill me?
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the true face of murder
(March 12, 2020 at 3:45 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: What a typically desperate exegesis.

Boru

Isn't that the way most people fight, until they are left in peace?

(March 12, 2020 at 3:47 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Let's just imagine that there's some recalcitrant asshole...call him "The Grand Nudger".  Lets just say for the sake of conversation that he will continue to transgress...and will never cease.  

Your instructions...from magic book.....not hadiths, are clear, right?

It seems pretty clear from context that what you are expected to cease is violence. It doesn't seem to say 'kill them until they stop criticizing Muslim beliefs'.

You seem to be going with the least charitable interpretation of the verses possible. Granted, Allah via Gabriel via Muhammed should be able to be crystal clear; but since we're left trying to parse the thing, there are much more problematic suras than these.

(March 12, 2020 at 4:03 pm)WinterHold Wrote: No. As I posted to The Grand Nudger, an eye is for an eye; I fight you when you come to my backyard carrying a rifle or a gun; looking to fight me.

'An eye for an eye' is from the Jewish Law of Talion: if you cost someone their eye, you are literally supposed to have your own eye gouged out as a punishment for your crime. It's not a guide to self defense.

(March 12, 2020 at 4:34 pm)WinterHold Wrote:
(March 12, 2020 at 4:15 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Oh I know right?  Eye for an eye.  Like..how..if I say that you're an ignorant barbarian who views his entire life through the prism of superstition - you'll wage war against me until I pay a tax or die - upon which time allah will pour molten lead up my anus.

Go fuck yourself Atlas.

No, you called me "a barbarian"; so now I'll apply the "eye for an eye" verse on you and call you an insult similar to barbarian....ummm neanderthal ?

Hey; neanderthal ! move it !!

But if you come attacking me with a bat, expect me to wield one back at you.
Keep it to insults; I'll keep it to insults too ! level it up; and I'll level it up.

eye for an eye. Fair and equal.

As of assuming that I will terrorize you, I say clear your chest a little, I just provided you with my personal constitution. and it says eye for an eye, not eye for a nuclear bomb

The Jews eventually gave up the Law of Talion as the barbarity it was; Isa's example to the Christians was to forgive those who wrong you (not that Christians have a good track record AT ALL of following that example). Trading insults gets us nowhere.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the true face of murder
(March 13, 2020 at 12:10 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:
(March 12, 2020 at 4:03 pm)WinterHold Wrote: No. As I posted to The Grand Nudger, an eye is for an eye; I fight you when you come to my backyard carrying a rifle or a gun; looking to fight me.

'An eye for an eye' is from the Jewish Law of Talion: if you cost someone their eye, you are literally supposed to have your own eye gouged out as a punishment for your crime. It's not a guide to self defense.

(March 12, 2020 at 4:34 pm)WinterHold Wrote: No, you called me "a barbarian"; so now I'll apply the "eye for an eye" verse on you and call you an insult similar to barbarian....ummm neanderthal ?

Hey; neanderthal ! move it !!

But if you come attacking me with a bat, expect me to wield one back at you.
Keep it to insults; I'll keep it to insults too ! level it up; and I'll level it up.

eye for an eye. Fair and equal.

As of assuming that I will terrorize you, I say clear your chest a little, I just provided you with my personal constitution. and it says eye for an eye, not eye for a nuclear bomb

The Jews eventually gave up the Law of Talion as the barbarity it was; Isa's example to the Christians was to forgive those who wrong you (not that Christians have a good track record AT ALL of following that example). Trading insults gets us nowhere.

In Islam it is a guide to self defense, another explicit verse stated that:

Quote:Sura 16, The Quran:
https://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#...rans=en_sh

( 126 )   And if you punish [an enemy, O believers], punish with an equivalent of that with which you were harmed. But if you are patient - it is better for those who are patient.

Trading insults doesn't work at all times, sometimes you need to forgive and let it go.
But sometimes only the returning of the insult -or the attack- works, perhaps armed burglars are an example.

Judaism has similarities to Islam; unlike Christianity -with lesser similarities- which was forged to massive extents by the Romans. Being one religion in my belief -before getting cut between the major famous 2 religions-, Islam is the reform of the two.
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