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RE: A.S.K. your way to proof.
March 16, 2020 at 3:25 pm
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(March 16, 2020 at 2:53 pm)Drich Wrote: (March 16, 2020 at 2:34 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: American psychologist and LSD guru. ‘Tune in, turn on, and drop out.’ Look him up. He was an interesting cat.
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smoked a little pot, but grew up. never tried anything else. wife was hooked on heroin for a long time., that scared the hell out of me. Hate drugs and hate heavy drinking. Dad was a crazy drunk.. I might have a beer or two every once in a while
(March 16, 2020 at 2:53 pm)Drich Wrote: smoked a little pot, but grew up. never tried anything else. wife was hooked on heroin for a long time., that scared the hell out of me. Hate drugs and hate heavy drinking. Dad was a crazy drunk.. I might have a beer or two every once in a while
tried someone mushrooms once but think my buddy got them from the store (regular dried mushrooms)
(March 16, 2020 at 2:48 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: This basically means you must believe in God in order to believe in God.
Boruof Luke. 1. Drich has no Bible education ... his opinion is worthless. He's not a scholar. 2. He's never established that his scriptures have any authority..and why would they. The
He has a very fucking stupid god.
His god can't tell the difference between someone who says they believe and someone who actually believes.
These people are so stupid.
They think if you *say* "I believe in the pink elephant out by the garage" it is the same as *if* there were a pink elephant out by the garage.
It may be his interpretatio no it means you simply must ask god and research who and what to look for. if you see something don't ignore it. follow that lead then the next then the next.
If God seems to put on your mind or heart to stop cleaning other men's b-holes with your mouth due to the lack of toilet paper hoarding, or whether you did this for free before just because.. or maybe you like to push old ladies down in the street.. you might be asked to give something up.. then maybe put a pin in that activity for a while to see what else pans out with your search.
Honor God honor the process/take it seriously and your patience will be rewarded.
Your experiences with heroin have absolutely nothing to do with Leary’s LSD research.
How exactly does one ask God for anything without first believing in him? I’m not sure anyone is capable of that level of cognitive dissonance.
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RE: A.S.K. your way to proof.
March 16, 2020 at 3:45 pm
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(March 16, 2020 at 2:53 pm)Drich Wrote: Again belief and salvation is a seperate act from what i am purposing here.
my interpretation is a straight reading of luke i am reading off page in context and relaying the information almost word for word. there is no magic there is not combining verses/scrap book theology it is a straight read.
all scholars of note not luke wrote luke and the book of acts as the are both signed by luke. luke being a 3rd party non religious observer, and slave to theophilus.
https://www.blueletterbible.org/study/intros/luke.cfm
Wrong. Only far right fundy literalists claim Luke wrote Luke. The gospels were anonymous for decades if not centuries. As I said, you are no scholar, you have no training, and you are totally unaware of scholarship concerning all the Bible, including the NT. It's one of the things that rings so hollow with you. You really have no clue what you are talking about. https://ehrmanblog.org/problems-luke-aut...e-members/
" However, the earliest manuscripts are anonymous, and the traditional view has been challenged by many modern scholars."
Metzger, Bruce; Coogan, Michael (1993). The Oxford Companion to the Bible. Oxford: Oxford University Press. pp. 'Acts of the Apostles', "Luke, The Gospel According to".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorship...%80%93Acts
Your interpretation is nothing but your uneducated opinion. It's worthless, AND you have not established its authority. Pasting a link from some fundy web-site is evidence of nothing. The fact is you are not EVEN conversant with problems and issues freshman Bible students learn in Bible 101. It's very typical of ignarants who want to play preacher on the internet. With every post you write, you show us how little you actually know about your cult and it's literature.
No one cares what you're "purposing" here. BTW it's proposing. No one takes seriously what an illiterate writes. It's an indication of how generally uneducated you actually are, and evidence you are suffering from Dunning-Krueger.
Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble. - Joseph Campbell
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RE: A.S.K. your way to proof.
March 16, 2020 at 4:30 pm
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(March 16, 2020 at 2:22 pm)Drich Wrote: (March 16, 2020 at 12:33 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: First of all, I was a sincere believer for decades, until I discovered what good standards of evidence and skepticism are. whatever dude..
translation: you were taught how to question in a way the bible was not designed to give straight answers. Thought God would personally fill in the blanks. he didn't your house of faith fell when the wind and rain hit it.
Still no.
It took me years to give up my beliefs. I attempted every way I could to rehabilitate them. I have a shelf full of books by the 'best' apologists, I read and reread the Bible more times than I can remember, and yes, sincerely hit my knees.
So, if what you say above is true (Bible not designed for easy answers, god would fill in the blanks), then how is it my fault if I am unable to find belief warranted?
Quote:I do not exclude a god or gods. I am completely open to being convinced that a god exists. I mean that sincerely.
Quote:then watch the video and meet him on his terms. He is not coming to you... or even if he has, your understanding/prejudice of God (how God is to approach you) will not allow you to identify him as such. Could you identify God if he were a member here? If he started speaking to you as a common person could you pick him out?
All this sounds like you are advocating for confirmation bias.
I will watch the video, but I can almost guarantee I did what you say when I was still a believer.
Quote:I'll bet I am more open to being convinced that a god or gods exists, than you are of being convinced that a god other than Yahweh/Jesus exists.
Quote:brother if you could only stand in my shoes, and honestly experienced all I have you would know why I know what I know.
I've read your stories (at least the ones you've posted here over the years) of your experiences, not impressed.
You have never been able to demonstrate that your experiences could not be explained by: misinterpretation of an unusual but otherwise natural brain state, misinterpretation of a mundane experience, temporary delusion, misinterpretation of another god communicating with you, or even aliens messing with your mind. I'm not saying that any of these are the case, only that you have never been able to provide a rational, evidence based reason why any of them should be eliminated as possibilities.
And then I hear stories from believers in other gods, and they tell them with just as much conviction and sincerity as you do.
Quote:It is not my fault that you, or any other theist, has ever been able to support your god claims with: demonstrable and falsifiable evidence, reasoned argument, and valid and sound logic.
Quote:don't need to... falsifiability demonstrable claims are reserved for science projects. God is not a science project. the study of God has it's own set of balances and standard that have to be met. As no one can summon God or make him appear on demand. However God himself has promised to respond to those who meet him on his terms. This can be actively proven in the fact that only 4% of the world's population think as you do. At some level across the world and generations people have reached out and someone or something has reached back on some level.
So much flawed thinking here, don't know where to start...
If the god you believe exists and interacts with the physical universe, then the effects of said god are testable. I'm not saying that the god itself needs to appear, but the various effects of such a god are testable claims. Alleged miracles are testable claims, miracle healings, communicating with people, all testable claims.
After all, you are claiming to be a 'god detector'. That is a testable claim.
Yes, but only 31% of the rest of the world think as you do and that if we count Catholics, which I doubt you agree with them.
What has reached back, is very likely our own minds. Human brains are hyperactive agency detectors. It is not unusual that we will detect agency (like a god communicating with us), even when none is there.
Also, there is an argument ad populum fallacy in there.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: A.S.K. your way to proof.
March 16, 2020 at 4:41 pm
Seriously drick, how can an utterly and completely delusional fruitcake such as yourself, find your own ass, let alone have the mental wherewithal to operate a complex device like a keyboard?
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RE: A.S.K. your way to proof.
March 16, 2020 at 4:52 pm
(March 16, 2020 at 10:06 am)Drich Wrote: (March 14, 2020 at 8:30 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: Bich just got banned "elsewhere".
They asked me to come and join, they are free to have me leave. In fact they(admins who asked me to join) could have just asked and i would never go back.
I get it though.. so long as I leave room for speculation and doubt to my abilities or story you all feel comfortable enough to keep me around. However when I show enough proof or take away your doubt cushion, and I am panning out to be exactly who I said I was all along.. Time to rework the rules to keep the mob's pride intact. People can not stand someone living a life that makes their out to be a lie. And the deeper one is invested in this lie the more the urgence there is to get rid of me, even the site of my posts which were all self contasined IE I never posted on anyone else's stuff unless asked to do so. That was too much even is that level of censorship is usually reserved for fascists.
You really believe that? I propose an experiment. I'll go to a Fundamentalist website and explain atheism to them. What do you think my life expectancy will be there? I'm willing to bet that your lot will be a whole hell of a lot less tolerant than we were.
You were spamming, you were warned, you got your dumb ass banned.
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RE: A.S.K. your way to proof.
March 16, 2020 at 5:02 pm
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Quote:Drich,
don't need to... falsifiability demonstrable claims are reserved for science projects. God is not a science project. the study of God has it's own set of balances and standard that have to be met. As no one can summon God or make him appear on demand. However God himself has promised to respond to those who meet him on his terms. This can be actively proven in the fact that only 4% of the world's population think as you do. At some level across the world and generations people have reached out and someone or something has reached back on some level.
Totally false. The ad populum falacy. Probably the most common and well known falacy. The number of people who believe something, is not a measure of its truth.
Any rank amateur knows that. Drich doesn't even know what that means. The 4 % is absolutely proof of nothing.
"At some level across the world and generations people have reached out and someone or something has reached back on some level."
You're talking about Lord Vishnu, right ? Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainismn are FAR FAR older than Drich's cult, and has had billions of MORE followers than Drich's cult. So.... Drippy ... fail again. For someone who claims to have been doing this for a while, you certainly are horseshit at it. Maybe you could take a class in how to argue or write effectively. Right now, there is no one worse.
What believers in a god has promised to those who believe in it is totally 100 % relevant to those who do not buy into it, and therefor this BS Drich claims about "its own set of balances and standards" is one of Drich's fundamentally WRONG assumption of posting his bullshit on atheist sites.
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RE: A.S.K. your way to proof.
March 16, 2020 at 5:03 pm
(March 16, 2020 at 4:52 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: (March 16, 2020 at 10:06 am)Drich Wrote: They asked me to come and join, they are free to have me leave. In fact they(admins who asked me to join) could have just asked and i would never go back.
I get it though.. so long as I leave room for speculation and doubt to my abilities or story you all feel comfortable enough to keep me around. However when I show enough proof or take away your doubt cushion, and I am panning out to be exactly who I said I was all along.. Time to rework the rules to keep the mob's pride intact. People can not stand someone living a life that makes their out to be a lie. And the deeper one is invested in this lie the more the urgence there is to get rid of me, even the site of my posts which were all self contasined IE I never posted on anyone else's stuff unless asked to do so. That was too much even is that level of censorship is usually reserved for fascists.
You really believe that? I propose an experiment. I'll go to a Fundamentalist website and explain atheism to them. What do you think my life expectancy will be there? I'm willing to bet that your lot will be a whole hell of a lot less tolerant than we were.
You were spamming, you were warned, you got your dumb ass banned.
Don't bother...
I've signed up for quite a few Christian forums over the years. I never cussed, insulted anyone, and was always as honest and friendly as possible.
All I ever did was ask questions.
Never lasted more than about 5 posts, or thereabouts.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: A.S.K. your way to proof.
March 16, 2020 at 5:05 pm
(March 16, 2020 at 4:41 pm)no one Wrote: Seriously drick, how can an utterly and completely delusional fruitcake such as yourself, find your own ass, let alone have the mental wherewithal to operate a complex device like a keyboard?
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RE: A.S.K. your way to proof.
March 16, 2020 at 5:09 pm
(March 16, 2020 at 5:03 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: (March 16, 2020 at 4:52 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: You really believe that? I propose an experiment. I'll go to a Fundamentalist website and explain atheism to them. What do you think my life expectancy will be there? I'm willing to bet that your lot will be a whole hell of a lot less tolerant than we were.
You were spamming, you were warned, you got your dumb ass banned.
Don't bother...
I've signed up for quite a few Christian forums over the years. I never cussed, insulted anyone, and was always as honest and friendly as possible.
All I ever did was ask questions.
Never lasted more than about 5 posts, or thereabouts.
That's about normal. They hate questions.
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RE: A.S.K. your way to proof.
March 16, 2020 at 5:43 pm
If a religion can't handle questions it can't be worth much!
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