The Death Penalty - are you for or against it and why?

[5thHorseman]

Ok, thanks for clarification.

[The Grand Nudger]

If she did she would need to be incarcerated (or placed under house arrest, or detained for evaluation, or all of the above) even if at a reduced charge and sentence due to the context of the crime. Premeditation. Believe this is exactly what happens when our systems functions properly.

[Autumnlicious]

This does not make me a Nazi, because I am not rounding up a race of people for extermination, nor am I exalting one particular race. I simply want serial rapists and murderers gone-not simply sitting in a box, unless they are to be put to good use.

The Nazi's did not talk of exterminating the Jews from day one. And you know that.

How low you go, Epi. I am truly amazed at your ignorance of history.

For the uninformed, it started with propaganda that was chiefly characterized by portraying the Jews as nonhuman animals (most common portrayal was the rat, but pigs also were a common comparison).

And Epi is precisely proceeding down the same reasoning...

Disgusting.

[Epimethean]

Hardly, Syn, because the Nazis had an agenda from the beginning, and you know that. My purpose is to remove, in a final way, those who have irreparably harmed society and who can never be a part of society. The men I am pointing to are not animals: They are far below that. You and I have debated animal use in science before, and I feel your perspective there was disgusting. If you can advocate for the use of animals and yet stand up righteously to say that humans who have hideously harmed multiple individuals should have some special protection, I think it is you who have strange priorities.

[Autumnlicious]

Hardly, Syn, because the Nazis had an agenda from the beginning, and you know that.

And Good Germans listened, many without an agenda. They still went home each day from the death camps and thought nothing of it.

After all, the human shaped things they dealt with weren't human...

My purpose is to remove, in a final way, those who have irreparably harmed society and who can never be a part of society.

Nothing like a final solution to the irreparably-hurt-society problem? What the fuck does 'irreparably harmed' mean to a society anyways?

Epi, you have truly lost your mind -- in fact, your qualifier can barely be met -- even Stalin's genocidal actions to his people had no effect on the society in the end run that was irreparable.

I am left with either you dramatically lower your qualifiers, in which it becomes much like God-hating-the-same-people-you-hate scenario, or you keep it at insane heights.

The men I am pointing to are not animals: They are far below that.

And yet you refer to them as men. They are humans, are they not? If so, they aren't garbage. I don't see how this can be any more fucking obvious.

You and I have debated animal use in science before, and I feel your perspective there was disgusting.

I've posted on animal testing multiple times and have expressed the necessity of such. However, I've firmly advocated for continual research and development of alternative testing strategies.

Which shows, that if my perspective was disgusting, I, at least, have a protocol out of savagery.

You, on the other hand, delve right into it.

Didn't your momma tell you not to sink to their level?

If you can advocate for the use of animals and yet stand up righteously to say that humans who have hideously harmed multiple individuals should have some special protection, I think it is you who have strange priorities.

That's rich coming from a man who makes up impossible to meet qualifiers and likes to consistently paint a group of people he hates as inhuman.

I hope mirrors don't crack when you look into them.

[Violet]

Mirrors might not crack for epi, but they certainly do for me. There is such a thing as too beautiful... and I am afraid I've been cursed with such a level of beauty

[Epimethean]

No lost mind here, no cracked mirrors. You see animals as meet for testing: I see humans who rape and kill multiple times as meet for disposal. I care about the human race enough to wish to rid it of threats. These humans are threats. As I've said before, if you want to reach out and care for them, do so. If one crosses my path and harms my loved ones, I will eliminate it. We have opposite stances on this. I think you are compromised by your compassion here, and that tickles me, because you showed so little toward animals. I think these creatures are below animals.

[Violet]

Fun fact: they are animals

I hope he's not putting words in my mouth, since I don't view animals as meat* for testing, nor for disposal either (Yes, I'm aware he was directed at Syna, but I'll weigh in on this anyway )

You feel threatened? So fucking what. I'm a risk taker, and I fucking enjoy the freedom associated. Thank you, and as always: have nice day.

[reverendjeremiah]

I care about the human race enough to wish to rid it of threats. These humans are threats.

So you harm the human race in the name of protecting the human race.

The funny thing is that you say what you said above, yet you glorified war in the war topic. If you REALLY cared about the human race, then you would oppose war. But no, you say human progress cannot be gained unless humaninty blows humanities brains out.

Honestly Epi, its like you are either really confussed, dont care about what you are typing, or are purposefully contradicting yourself on this forum.

[Epimethean]

Rev, when you understand the difference between acknowledgement and glorification, get back to me. There is no confusion here, save your own. If you want to liken serial rapists and serial killers to soldiers fighting for a cause, go for it, but then, I'll have to note, you love the absurd.