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RE: The Death Penalty - are you for or against it and why?
February 20, 2011 at 11:32 pm
(February 20, 2011 at 10:48 pm)ib.me.ub Wrote: (February 20, 2011 at 10:26 pm)Ubermensch Wrote: Gulag, forced-labour camp. If they refuse to work, lobotomise them, or have them made an example of. I'm against the death penalty as the default option for heinous crimes, but if a corpse motivates a camp of sociopaths to work...
I find it hard to phathom how somebody could be opposed to the death penealty, but be in favour of gulags and labotomy.
So you would rather torture a human than end their life quickly?
My feelings are that murderers, among other kinds of criminal, sacrifice a number of their human rights for a certain stretch of time, when they commit their crimes. And I'm not necessarily for lobotomy, I just consider it acceptable to perform on a murderous sociopath who refuses to cooperate and nothing else will work. Either that or have him publically shot in the middle of the gulag where every other prisoner can see what happens when you misbehave badly enough.
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RE: The Death Penalty - are you for or against it and why?
February 21, 2011 at 6:40 am
Personally, I find the notion of 'deserving' something, which is one of the main arguments in favour of the death penalty from what I've seen here, pretty dubious. Why is murder the one crime whose punishment is the same as the crime? Why don't we steal from robbers, or rape rapists? Where does this notion of deserving something come from, especially if our choices are entirely a product of our environment, genetics and circumstances (i.e. no contra-causal free will)? Plus, I'm not sure that the deterrent effect of capital punishment is that great. Like Adrian, however, I'd probably support the choice of prisoners to be killed or have a prison sentence.
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RE: The Death Penalty - are you for or against it and why?
February 21, 2011 at 8:51 am
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I voted "I support it" simply because I can imagine there may be a time when it may be needed, I can't envisage exactly when though.
Maybe if a serial killer was caught and had somehow managed to escape imprisonment three times already and managed to kill more people each time he got out, or something like that.
However, if I am ever in support of it, I only support it if it is done by purely painless means.
Being convicted a murderer or rapist on only one or two counts isn't enough for the death penalty in my opinion, simply because they could well be innocent and wrongly convicted. But if someone is convicted as a serial rapist or serial murder (or both) there is a far smaller chance that they are innocent.
(February 21, 2011 at 6:40 am)The Omnissiunt One Wrote: Personally, I find the notion of 'deserving' something, which is one of the main arguments in favour of the death penalty from what I've seen here, pretty dubious.
Agreed. Since there is no free will, no one deserves anything at all, be it good or bad.
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RE: The Death Penalty - are you for or against it and why?
February 21, 2011 at 11:03 am
It also doesn't work as a deterrent, america has the highest amount of serial killers in the world in contrast with the european countries which have less and don't practice death penalty
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RE: The Death Penalty - are you for or against it and why?
February 21, 2011 at 11:07 am
Way too black or white, bad poll.
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RE: The Death Penalty - are you for or against it and why?
February 21, 2011 at 12:01 pm
He said in the OP that 'I support it' includes ever supporting it for any reason whatsoever. Even if 99.9999% of the time you are anti-death penalty, you would still be in the group of 'I support it' therefore.
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RE: The Death Penalty - are you for or against it and why?
February 21, 2011 at 12:03 pm
That's just ridiculous.
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RE: The Death Penalty - are you for or against it and why?
February 21, 2011 at 12:07 pm
Hence why I voted 'I support it' despite the fact I can barely conceive of a time when I would.
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RE: The Death Penalty - are you for or against it and why?
February 21, 2011 at 12:50 pm
Someone once said : 'an eye for an eye...'. Thats where my morality comes from ;-)
I cannot imagine that I would never say never, therefore there are some laws/crimes I would consider it for. So yes I support it!
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RE: The Death Penalty - are you for or against it and why?
February 21, 2011 at 12:55 pm
(February 21, 2011 at 12:50 pm)Captain Scarlet Wrote: Someone once said : 'an eye for an eye...'. Thats where my morality comes from ;-)
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