The white privilege to terrorize

[The Grand Nudger]

I'm under no illusions about the moral nature of hunting animals for sport, and I generally tend to think that anything I kill feels and knows more than we give it credit for....but.....I still do it.

As for the conservation value, that's a good example of a bad take. The conservation value is demonstrable, and clear...but the money doesn't always go where it should and the animals aren't always treated as the valuable resource that they are, even for sport. It's probably the exception when they are, rather than the norm.

All of that aside...I refuse to eat bear meat. No one can make me put it in my mouth. More power to people with broken tongues who think it tastes good if you add the weight of the meat in spices and cook it for a week and don't mind the worms....but I wont eat it, lol. I don't eat deer aside from jerky, either. That's why I don't hunt alone. Mostly, game tastes like shit to me. I'm in it for a long shot and a good kill. Ridge to ridge, down in one. If I was hungry I'd be trapping, not shooting.

[onlinebiker]

I'm under no illusions about the moral nature of hunting animals for sport, and I generally tend to think that anything I kill feels and knows more than we give it credit for....but.....I still do it.

As for the conservation value, that's a good example of a bad take.  The conservation value is demonstrable, and clear...but the money doesn't always go where it should and the animals aren't always treated as the valuable resource that they are, even for sport.  It's probably the exception when they are, rather than the norm.

All of that aside...I refuse to eat bear meat.  No one can make me put it in my mouth.  More power to people with broken tongues who think it tastes good if you add the weight of the meat in spices and cook it for a week and don't mind the worms....but I wont eat it, lol.  I don't eat deer aside from jerky, either.  That's why I don't hunt alone.  Mostly, game tastes like shit to me.  I'm in it for a long shot and a good kill.  Ridge to ridge, down in one.  If I was hungry I'd be trapping, not shooting.

Punch holes in paper then.

If you want a thrill, jump off a bridge.

Bungee cord optional.

[The Grand Nudger]

Thrill isn't what I would call it. When I was five or six I shot a songbird chick...and it's mother swooped in to sound the alarm. Flew around me in manic circles. It was the loudest bird in all of existence...and I felt shame.

So I shot her too.

I'm an atheist, but that doesn't mean that I'm irreligious. I hunt animals because it provides me with a religious experience.

In any case, if people want animals to continue existing, wholly aside from any moral consideration, they have to make concession to the practical. We compete with animals for resources, as animals ourselves. They will lose, unless the animals are seen as a resource. If they're not a resource, we wont hunt them, we'll exterminate them, like we do to any other animal that isn't seen to be a resource, including human animals. Nobody is crying for mice and roaches.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Normally agree with you Grand but that's an Odd take

[The Grand Nudger]

Probably. I'm not the usual hunter, and certainly not the great white hunter, lol. I've killed alot of things, all kinds of animals, but I tend not to take trophies and I know that I have no need for the meat. I'm pretty clear eyed about what I do and why.

Hunting grounds me and reaffirms who I am. I don't need it often so I don't hunt often. It's important to me because it's an expression of who I really am in a world where I've learned to hide relevant facts about that. Facts which ultimately refer back to the thread subject. I kill for killing, not because I'm hungry.

Let's get real. Anyone else boiling deer bones for glue...or is there a hole under your t-post that you dump the majority of the weight in as refuse? Any hunters forgoing cups to drink out of bladders? Patching their boots with hide? Saving cerebral fluid to tan? Boiling eyeballs for ink? Taking byproduct to manufacturers to be worked in pc's or laid down as sidewalk?

No.

[onlinebiker]

Probably.  I'm not the usual hunter, and certainly not the great white hunter, lol.  I've killed alot of things, all kinds of animals, but I tend not to take trophies and I know that I have no need for the meat.  I'm pretty clear eyed about what I do and why.

Hunting grounds me and reaffirms who I am.  I don't need it often so I don't hunt often.  It's important to me because it's an expression of who I really am in a world where I've learned to hide relevant facts about that.  Facts which ultimately refer back to the thread subject.  I kill for killing, not because I'm hungry.

Let's get real.  Anyone else boiling deer bones for glue...or is there a hole under your t-post that you dump the majority of the weight in as refuse?  Any hunters forgoing cups to drink out of bladders?  Patching their boots with hide?  Saving cerebral fluid to tan?  Boiling eyeballs for ink?  Taking byproduct to manufacturers to be worked in pc's or laid down as sidewalk?

No.

Don't bother trying to justify it.


You have convinced all you are a wastrel.


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[UtilitarianDeist]

If God drives us to all care about this racism thing then it must be important.

I have no idea why it's important to him though. Perhaps he just finds race wars amusing like he finds religious wars amusing (which is my intuition).

Which is fine. It doesn't make God bad. Whatever God wants is good. If it seems trivial and not very deep or meaningful for a supreme being to only care about mere amusement then that's because this is one tiny planet in a gigantic universe that is he that *is* trivial. It's like, when his mind is on 99999999999999999 other thing why do a couple of thoughts matter? Think of a super intelligent philosopher that is mostly philosophizing about important stuff but also has a couple of trivial thoughts. Those couple of trivial thoughts are like God's attention directed at this tiny planet amused by us fighting over him. That is all objectively good though because his utility outweighs this planet's.

[Zepp]

I always find it odd people who show up to these protests and rallies with guns that want the government out of their way, but at the same time they champion big government, they love the police state, prison state, they like the idea of big military, they wave the flag like brainwashed statists. They want to inject God into every governmental office.

These people are a bag of contradictions, how fucked in the head do you have to be to turn out like this?

And what is the purpose of being armed anyway, do these people actually expect to have a shootout with the government and what would it accomplish?


I can say this, I've never seen the country as fucked up as it is right now, in my almost 50 years, this country has turned into a pile of shit with all the religious whack jobs, with the tool running this country into the ground and his huge audience cheering him on.

[onlinebiker]

I always find it odd people who show up to these protests and rallies with guns that want the government out of their way, but at the same time they champion big government, they love the police state, prison state, they like the idea of big military, they wave the flag like brainwashed statists. They want to inject God into every governmental office.

These people are a bag of contradictions, how fucked in the head do you have to be to turn out like this?

And what is the purpose of being armed anyway, do these people actually expect to have a shootout with the government and what would it accomplish?


I can say this, I've never seen the country as fucked up as it is right now, in my almost 50 years, this country has turned into a pile of shit with all the religious whack jobs, with the tool running this country into the ground and his huge audience cheering him on.

I don't know who you met - but the gun wavers I have met are not big government types at all. Quite the contrary. Most of them are far right types - and blame all evils on big government and it's leftist supporters.


Think Norm Olson (who I have met and talked to).
Think Timothy McVeigh (also met. Scared my ass. Did not talk to him)

Not fans of the government or any branch of it.

The god bit - you got that part right. They were decidedly unhappy about my being there when they found out I am an atheist.

And as far as the CIC (cheesedick in charge) - his loyal supporters have always been fewer in numbers than he'd like people to believe. If the Dems run a viable candidate against him, he hasn't a chance.

Too bad Biden ain't that guy.

[The Grand Nudger]

You met McVeigh? Dude, lead with that shit. I wanna know more.