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[Quranic Reflection]: By the sun and its morn
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: By the sun and its morn
(May 7, 2020 at 6:21 pm)WinterHold Wrote:
(May 7, 2020 at 5:59 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: The author of magic book has a mans perspective, a man who thinks that night covers the sun...in your estimation?

*Mohammed -peace be upon him- has a man's perspective.

(May 7, 2020 at 5:59 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: It isn’t even that. I could understand the perspective that the night covers the land, but not the sun. You’re just compounding your silliness.

Boru

The night does cover the sun. I understand that "night" is a time.

From a man's pov, the night "does" cover the sun.

Then Mohammed's pov/perspective and accuracy is even more out of whack with the moon statement. The moon does not follow the sun. There are nights where the moon is not visible at all. (and not because of obstruction)
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#12
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: By the sun and its morn
(May 7, 2020 at 5:31 pm)WinterHold Wrote: One interesting verse in the Quran says:


Quote:Sura 91, The Quran:
https://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#...rans=en_sh

( 1 )   By the sun and its brightness/morn
( 2 )   And [by] the moon when it follows it
( 3 )   And [by] the day when it displays it
( 4 )   And [by] the night when it covers it
( 5 )   And [by] the sky and He who constructed it
( 6 )   And [by] the earth and He who spread it

The sun shines during the day. Deepity. Except when it's cloudy.

Quote:The day does display the sun; defining it as the simple rotation of the earth to the direction facing the sun.
The indication that the sun does indeed become "not visible to us" at night is not explained through mysticism or fantasies -like the one's in Ancient Egyptian stories-, but actually through telling us that nothing makes the sun obvious to us but the "time" of the day.

Science when it's right.

(May 7, 2020 at 6:56 pm)WinterHold Wrote:
(May 7, 2020 at 6:39 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: If the night covered the sun, then the sun would stay in the same place and the night would descend over it like...like...some sort of cover-y thing. Not only does that not happen, that doesn't even look like what happens.

Boru

If it doesn't look like that even to an ancient human; then probably you understood the text wrongly.
When the sun is covered by "the night", then we are speaking about an "Analogous language"; which is exactly the case with many verses in the Quran.

A turn of phrase when it's wrong.

Talk about your cherry picking. I think I prefer my cherries picked another way. The Quran is clearly saying that "And by the day when it displays it" means that Allah's flashing you during the day. During the night he "covers it up." "And by the earth and He who spread it" rather speaks for itself in this context.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: By the sun and its morn
(May 7, 2020 at 6:21 pm)WinterHold Wrote: The night does cover the sun. I understand that "night" is a time.
And others understand it in a different way. So what?
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: By the sun and its morn
(May 7, 2020 at 7:07 pm)brewer Wrote:
(May 7, 2020 at 6:21 pm)WinterHold Wrote: *Mohammed -peace be upon him- has a man's perspective.


The night does cover the sun. I understand that "night" is a time.

From a man's pov, the night "does" cover the sun.

Then Mohammed's pov/perspective and accuracy is even more out of whack with the moon statement. The moon does not follow the sun. There are nights where the moon is not visible at all. (and not because of obstruction)

It doesn't speak about the special condition here; brewer. It speaks generally in an Analogous language.

(May 7, 2020 at 8:19 pm)Paleophyte Wrote:
(May 7, 2020 at 5:31 pm)WinterHold Wrote: One interesting verse in the Quran says:

The sun shines during the day. Deepity. Except when it's cloudy.

Quote:The day does display the sun; defining it as the simple rotation of the earth to the direction facing the sun.
The indication that the sun does indeed become "not visible to us" at night is not explained through mysticism or fantasies -like the one's in Ancient Egyptian stories-, but actually through telling us that nothing makes the sun obvious to us but the "time" of the day.

Science when it's right.

(May 7, 2020 at 6:56 pm)WinterHold Wrote: If it doesn't look like that even to an ancient human; then probably you understood the text wrongly.
When the sun is covered by "the night", then we are speaking about an "Analogous language"; which is exactly the case with many verses in the Quran.

A turn of phrase when it's wrong.

Talk about your cherry picking. I think I prefer my cherries picked another way. The Quran is clearly saying that "And by the day when it displays it" means that Allah's flashing you during the day. During the night he "covers it up." "And by the earth and He who spread it" rather speaks for itself in this context.

For the sun to be visible for us, we need 2 things: the sun light and the atmosphere. Both of these compose "the day". Without atmosphere, the sun will blind us before we even know it's there.

That if you want to take the scientific route.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: By the sun and its morn
(May 7, 2020 at 5:38 pm)WinterHold Wrote:
(May 7, 2020 at 5:34 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: But the night doesn’t ‘cover’ the sun. That’s just silly.

Boru

The perspective is for a man standing on earth. Not for a satellite.
In no perspective does night cover the sun

Quote:For the sun to be visible for us, we need 2 things: the sun light and the atmosphere. Both of these compose "the day". Without atmosphere, the sun will blind us before we even know it's there.
The sun is still visible without an atmosphere

Quote: 
That if you want to take the scientific route.
You have not

Quote:From a man's pov, the night "does" cover the sun.
No it doesn't

Quote:The day does display the sun; defining it as the simple rotation of the earth to the direction facing the sun.
Lol so now you accept this and nigh simply isn't darkness like you ried peddling before .


Quote:The indication that the sun does indeed become "not visible to us" at night is not explained through mysticism or fantasies -like the one's in Ancient Egyptian stories-,
 Plenty of ancient civilizations explained day and night well before the Quran was penned .


Quote:but actually through telling us that nothing makes the sun obvious to us but the "time" of the day.
That's absurd
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: By the sun and its morn
(May 7, 2020 at 8:55 pm)WinterHold Wrote:
(May 7, 2020 at 7:07 pm)brewer Wrote: Then Mohammed's pov/perspective and accuracy is even more out of whack with the moon statement. The moon does not follow the sun. There are nights where the moon is not visible at all. (and not because of obstruction)

It doesn't speak about the special condition here; brewer. It speaks generally in an Analogous language.

(May 7, 2020 at 8:19 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: The sun shines during the day. Deepity. Except when it's cloudy.


Science when it's right.


A turn of phrase when it's wrong.

Talk about your cherry picking. I think I prefer my cherries picked another way. The Quran is clearly saying that "And by the day when it displays it" means that Allah's flashing you during the day. During the night he "covers it up." "And by the earth and He who spread it" rather speaks for itself in this context.

For the sun to be visible for us, we need 2 things: the sun light and the atmosphere. Both of these compose "the day". Without atmosphere, the sun will blind us before we even know it's there.

That if you want to take the scientific route.

An atmosphere is not required for the sun to be visible. The day would still happen if there was no atmosphere at all, so sunlight and atmosphere do not compose the day. Without atmosphere, the sun would not blind us (unless you are stupid enough to stare straight at it, which happens with an atmosphere as well)

You have no clue what you are talking about.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: By the sun and its morn
(May 7, 2020 at 8:55 pm)WinterHold Wrote:
(May 7, 2020 at 7:07 pm)brewer Wrote: Then Mohammed's pov/perspective and accuracy is even more out of whack with the moon statement. The moon does not follow the sun. There are nights where the moon is not visible at all. (and not because of obstruction)

It doesn't speak about the special condition here; brewer. It speaks generally in an Analogous language.


So it can be interpreted any way that the reader wants. What a wonderful religion. Great
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: By the sun and its morn
I think that the term you're looking for is metaphor. Magic book is full of metaphors. It can't be trusted to say what it means, or mean what it says.

Sure.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: By the sun and its morn
(May 7, 2020 at 8:55 pm)WinterHold Wrote: It doesn't speak about the special condition here; brewer. It speaks generally in an Analogous language.

Translation: If you read what the words actually says the bullshit shines through.

Quote:For the sun to be visible for us, we need 2 things: the sun light and the atmosphere. Both of these compose "the day". Without atmosphere, the sun will blind us before we even know it's there.

Nope. There's sun on the moon and it won't blind you unless you stare straight at it. Night and day. Atmosphere need not apply.

Same for the Jovian moons, though at that distance you could stare straight into the sun. It's little more than an over bright star at that distance.

The Quran, yet another book of scripture that needs mortals to interpret its real™ meaning.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: By the sun and its morn
(May 8, 2020 at 2:20 am)Paleophyte Wrote: The Quran, yet another book of scripture that needs mortals to interpret its real™ meaning.

No no nononono no. Not just any mortal (Think of those billions of Sunni and Shiites who are so horribly wrong). It needs Atlass, the only one who could figure out the "true" meaning, in his eternal wisdom.

"Night covering the sun", what a load of crap.  Hehe
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