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[Quranic Reflection]: By the sun and its morn
#51
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: By the sun and its morn
Quote:I also see the same thing.
But as a final word in this: I again repeat my words "the night comes after the day".
You didn't address brewers point so repeating your failure doesn't help


Quote:You have your evidence that many atheists are mad at God.
Nope 


Quote:While some may leave belief for lack of evidence, others leave it because they are simply mad and angry about him.
Nope we all lak belief and no ones angry 


Quote:If a child can understand the word "perspective", then this verse will be very clear.
He understands i fine it's you who is misusing it


Quote:I am oblivious about grown ups who keep ignore the perspective thing.
He's not ignoring it your misusing it 

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#52
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: By the sun and its morn
(May 9, 2020 at 12:22 am)WinterHold Wrote:
(May 8, 2020 at 6:02 pm)brewer Wrote: I can see that you don't know what I'm talking about. Pretty pointless when you can't follow the conversation.

If the book literally said something, the book literally got it wrong. The moon does not follow it (the sun).

I also see the same thing.
But as a final word in this: I again repeat my words "the night comes after the day".

(May 8, 2020 at 7:52 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Belief either is or isn't.  A person may turn from a god because of said god's actions but that doesn't mean they stop believing in that god.

Lack of belief isn't due to actions or inactions.  Lack of belief is due to lack of evidence of the very existence.

Atheists aren't mad at god.  There's no god to be mad at.

You have your evidence that many atheists are mad at God.
While some may leave belief for lack of evidence, others leave it because they are simply mad and angry about him.

(May 8, 2020 at 10:25 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: Night does not "cover" the sun and the moon does not "follow" it. I know 4 year old children who understand this. The Quran contains no more scientific merit than you would expect from the ramblings of a petty 7th century warlord.

If a child can understand the word "perspective", then this verse will be very clear.
I am oblivious about grown ups who keep ignore the perspective thing.
To be mad at a god means you have to believe in that god.

Being atheist means you don't believe in a god or gods.  

It's really that simple.
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#53
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: By the sun and its morn
(May 9, 2020 at 12:22 am)WinterHold Wrote:
(May 8, 2020 at 6:02 pm)brewer Wrote: I can see that you don't know what I'm talking about. Pretty pointless when you can't follow the conversation.

If the book literally said something, the book literally got it wrong. The moon does not follow it (the sun).

I also see the same thing.
But as a final word in this: I again repeat my words "the night comes after the day".


There is nothing about night or day, the reference is moon and sun.

How about we make it hot (sun) and cold (moon)? Sighted and blind. Birth and death.

Do you see the problem?
I don't have an anger problem, I have an idiot problem




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#54
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: By the sun and its morn
The term for people who believe in gods, but believe that gods are evil - is maltheist.

They're theists, Winter...just like you. The only difference is that they see the character in magic book for what it is.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: By the sun and its morn
(May 9, 2020 at 12:22 am)WinterHold Wrote:
(May 8, 2020 at 10:25 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: Night does not "cover" the sun and the moon does not "follow" it. I know 4 year old children who understand this. The Quran contains no more scientific merit than you would expect from the ramblings of a petty 7th century warlord.

If a child can understand the word "perspective", then this verse will be very clear.
I am oblivious about grown ups who keep ignore the perspective thing.

It's clear allright. Clearly bullshit. You cite verses as being fact and then argue from poetic license when you're shown that they aren't. The only thing that's good for is fertilizing the garden.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: By the sun and its morn
(May 9, 2020 at 8:24 am)brewer Wrote:
(May 9, 2020 at 12:22 am)WinterHold Wrote: I also see the same thing.
But as a final word in this: I again repeat my words "the night comes after the day".


There is nothing about night or day, the reference is moon and sun.

How about we make it hot (sun) and cold (moon)? Sighted and blind. Birth and death.

Do you see the problem?

The sun is known to be 1 main contributor to the day, so it is an obvious reference to it.
Hot and cold have no direct references because some days are cold and some nights are hot. So no, I frankly don't see where the problem is !

(May 9, 2020 at 7:50 pm)Paleophyte Wrote:
(May 9, 2020 at 12:22 am)WinterHold Wrote: If a child can understand the word "perspective", then this verse will be very clear.
I am oblivious about grown ups who keep ignore the perspective thing.

It's clear allright. Clearly bullshit. You cite verses as being fact and then argue from poetic license when you're shown that they aren't. The only thing that's good for is fertilizing the garden.

I am more than clear: the perspective is everything, and Islam doesn't limit God to the heaven -as it is in the mainstream Christianity contributed to-, rather:

Quote:Sura 2, The Quran:
https://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#...rans=en_sh

( 115 )   And to Allah belongs the east and the west. So wherever you [might] turn, there is the Face of Allah. Indeed, Allah is all-Encompassing and Knowing.
Allah is not limited to a place, he is in the heavens, but also everywhere. He is God up there, and God down here.
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#57
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: By the sun and its morn
Ah so much silliness 


1. Trying to associate the sun with day and the moon with night fails as the moon can be seen during the day and if we want to be technical eclipses are both the sun and the moon in the sky a the same time oh and the midnight sun .

2. That destroyed the moon doesn't follow the sun th two things are on parallel paths 

3. Three the ancient world already understood the association of he sun with daytime .Not just in mythology but actual science centuries before your pedo warlord was hockin carpets .So there is nothing special about your book . 

4. Brewers suggestion of temperatures is totally viable as day tends to be colder then night especially in a dessert and his other ones about Sighted and blind. Birth and death were good too as metaphors . You just want to consider them because you want your magic book to be a science book .


5. The earth blocking the sun is not the night covering it . Night time is not freaking throwing the sun in a sack .

6. And no the sun is actually not the main thing it has to work with other things to produce day . An orbit that puts us close enough to see the sun , An Atmosphere that's to like too thick for light to go through ,Depending on were you are on the earth axis rotation . The sun can shine all it can .But if none of these factors were present there would be no day as your naive brain understands it .

Wonder if winter will respond and cause himself a "problem "
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