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Islam
#41
RE: Islam
(May 20, 2020 at 7:50 am)WinterHold Wrote:
(May 20, 2020 at 5:59 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: First off, no one is sent to prison for 15-20 years for lifting a box of pencils or a stick of gum (not in civilized countries, at least). Different degrees of theft merit different penalties. Yet you clearly said earlier that the level of the theft doesn't matter - you would cut off a hand over a stick of gum (bar forgiveness, which is beside the point).

Actually you are wrong according to American law:

https://www.federalcharges.com/bank-robb...s-charges/



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  • Any person who enters a building used in whole or in part as a bank with the intent to forcibly remove funds or commit any felony that will affect the institution could face a serious fine and up to 20 years in prison. This includes simply walking into a bank and handing a note to a teller.
  • In instances where a robbery places another person’s life in jeopardy or involves assault, a more serious fine and up to 25 years in prison are possible. This includes making threats, using any weapon during a robbery, and even using toy weapons during a robbery.
  • Those who receive, conceal, or otherwise accept anything taken from a bank could face a fine and as much as 10 years in prison.
  • Robberies that involve a perpetrator killing another person or abducting them could face even more serious penalties, including life imprisonment or even the death penalty.

So yes; the law of America does send people to 20 years or even life behind bars for robbery.
As for cutting the hand of the grown up thieve, then they should not steal or rob in the first place. Just like the American law might throw a man for years and years in a concrete box over walking into a building.

In America and the west; forgiveness from the victim is not even on the list as a waiver for the convict.
Ask me about how one restores their missing hand; and I'll tell you about how one restores their psychological sanity after being raped and thrown in a box with dangerous criminals.

Quote:Mister Agenda brought up wrongful conviction earlier, and you haven't addressed it.  I'd like you to do so now.

Suppose Joe is accused of stealing a packet of sticky notes from his office.  He is fired and the company decides to prosecute.  Joe is convicted and has to pay a small fine (and look for another job). Later, it is discovered that Joe didn't steal the stickies after all.  He is reinstated in his job and his fine is remitted to him.

How would your system replace his hand?

Boru

My system would require top-notch investigation; then. But the missing hand? again; I'll ask you about the raped convicts locked in concrete boxes.
Robbery is not to be tolerated under Islam. But so as wrong sentences and playing with peoples' blood. Investigation should be the best of qualities in the whole world, and forgiveness must be always recited to the victim.

Thank you for not answering my question, for bringing up irrelevancies, and for your continued efforts to apply medieval justice to 21st century society.

You are nothing if not consistent.

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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#42
RE: Islam
I like how he keeps comparing his god to the great satan. You have to wonder why it is that he hates the one and worships the other...and which is which, for that matter.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#43
RE: Islam
Not to mention comparing bank robbery to lifting a stick of gum.

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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#44
RE: Islam
(May 20, 2020 at 12:08 am)WinterHold Wrote: Most countries reject me already because I have Multiple Sclerosis.
As it seems the medication is quite expensive, so without a medical waiver my application is doomed. I can't find somebody who would give me the waiver; though.

It's tough.

The US doesn't reject applications on account of MS.  I doubt that many, if any, western™ countries has such a policy.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#45
RE: Islam
Quote:So yes; the law of America does send people to 20 years or even life behind bars for robbery.
Some robbery 

Quote:As for cutting the hand of the grown up thieve, then they should not steal or rob in the first place.
Not a justification for mutilating someone 


Quote: Just like the American law might throw a man for years and years in a concrete box over walking into a building.
WTF


Quote:In America and the west; forgiveness from the victim is not even on the list as a waiver for the convict.
For good reason 


Quote:Ask me about how one restores their missing hand;
You can't 


Quote: and I'll tell you about how one restores their psychological sanity after being raped and thrown in a box with dangerous criminals.
Prison is still better then mutilating someone
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#46
RE: Islam
(May 20, 2020 at 8:09 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Not to mention comparing bank robbery to lifting a stick of gum.

Boru

Not to mention equating theft with robbery, claiming that everyone in jail gets raped, arguing that cutting ones hand off is still "better" than that (unevidenced claim), claiming that releasing someone after x years of jail is "less forgiving" than chopping his hand off, that "forgiving" is his lame excuse for whatever atrocity he is advocating ("...but i forgave him after cutting his dick  hand off, seriously, i forgave him!".

Not to mention bringing MURDER during robbery and the following life sentence to the table, which is just another of his more dishonest equivocations.
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#47
RE: Islam
Prison is for keeping people from hurting other people. Prison can be improved and the list of things that get a person sent to prison can be refined, obviously.

If Winter has these sorts of reservations about prisons, he's condemning his own god by reference to our example.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#48
RE: Islam
Quote:My system would require top-notch investigation; 
Does not matter 


Quote:then. But the missing hand? again; I'll ask you about the raped convicts locked in concrete boxes.
Whataboutism 


Quote:Robbery is not to be tolerated under Islam.

It's not tolerated anywhere 


Quote: But so as wrong sentences and playing with peoples' blood.
Same as anywhere 



Quote: Investigation should be the best of qualities in the whole world,

The only sane thing you have said 


Quote: and forgiveness must be always recited to the victim.
NO
“The sun from far gives life. But get close to it and it burns anything down to ashes”

[Image: flag-ukraine_1f1fa-1f1e6.png]  Heart [Image: canada-google.png]        

 “No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?”
–SHIRLEY CHISHOLM


      
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#49
RE: Islam
(May 20, 2020 at 8:10 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote:
(May 20, 2020 at 12:08 am)WinterHold Wrote: Most countries reject me already because I have Multiple Sclerosis.
As it seems the medication is quite expensive, so without a medical waiver my application is doomed. I can't find somebody who would give me the waiver; though.

It's tough.

The US doesn't reject applications on account of MS.  I doubt that many, if any, western™ countries has such a policy.

He is a particularly disgusting individual, since he repeatedly is trying to hide behind his (alleged) disease. He could be sitting in a wheelchair, and he is still advocating barbarism. I dont care what disability he has or not, he is a terrible human being with terrible and hurtful beliefs. Beliefs that have to be kept in check for the sake of humanity.
Cetero censeo religionem delendam esse
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#50
RE: Islam
(May 20, 2020 at 8:04 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(May 20, 2020 at 7:50 am)WinterHold Wrote: Actually you are wrong according to American law:

https://www.federalcharges.com/bank-robb...s-charges/




So yes; the law of America does send people to 20 years or even life behind bars for robbery.
As for cutting the hand of the grown up thieve, then they should not steal or rob in the first place. Just like the American law might throw a man for years and years in a concrete box over walking into a building.

In America and the west; forgiveness from the victim is not even on the list as a waiver for the convict.
Ask me about how one restores their missing hand; and I'll tell you about how one restores their psychological sanity after being raped and thrown in a box with dangerous criminals.


My system would require top-notch investigation; then. But the missing hand? again; I'll ask you about the raped convicts locked in concrete boxes.
Robbery is not to be tolerated under Islam. But so as wrong sentences and playing with peoples' blood. Investigation should be the best of qualities in the whole world, and forgiveness must be always recited to the victim.

Thank you for not answering my question, for bringing up irrelevancies, and for your continued efforts to apply medieval justice to 21st century society.

You are nothing if not consistent.

Boru

I did answer both of your questions.
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