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RE: Islam
May 21, 2020 at 1:01 pm
(May 21, 2020 at 12:50 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: But elk are real, not mythological like camels.
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I said my opinion here millions of times before: as long as you don't hurt me I won't hurt you, or as the Quran states:
Quote:Sura 60, The Quran:
https://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#...rans=en_sh
( 8 ) Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly.
( 9 ) Allah only forbids you from those who fight you because of religion and expel you from your homes and aid in your expulsion - [forbids] that you make allies of them. And whoever makes allies of them, then it is those who are the wrongdoers.
I don't ignore signs.
I'm not an elk.
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RE: Islam
May 21, 2020 at 1:06 pm
(May 21, 2020 at 1:01 pm)WinterHold Wrote: (May 21, 2020 at 12:50 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: But elk are real, not mythological like camels.
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I said my opinion here millions of times before: as long as you don't hurt me I won't hurt you, or as the Quran states:
Quote:Sura 60, The Quran:
https://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#...rans=en_sh
( 8 ) Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly.
( 9 ) Allah only forbids you from those who fight you because of religion and expel you from your homes and aid in your expulsion - [forbids] that you make allies of them. And whoever makes allies of them, then it is those who are the wrongdoers.
I don't ignore signs.
I'm not an elk.
It’s very unlikely that you’d be able to hurt me in any case.
Not ignoring signs doesn’t necessarily mean you’re not an elk. You could be an elk and be unaware of it.
Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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RE: Islam
May 21, 2020 at 1:09 pm
(May 21, 2020 at 1:06 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: It’s very unlikely that you’d be able to hurt me in any case.
Not ignoring signs doesn’t necessarily mean you’re not an elk. You could be an elk and be unaware of it.
Boru
And you can be a camel with bone weakness.
In other words; you might be unworthy
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RE: Islam
May 21, 2020 at 1:11 pm
(May 21, 2020 at 1:09 pm)WinterHold Wrote: (May 21, 2020 at 1:06 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: It’s very unlikely that you’d be able to hurt me in any case.
Not ignoring signs doesn’t necessarily mean you’re not an elk. You could be an elk and be unaware of it.
Boru
And you can be a camel with bone weakness.
In other words; you might be unworthy
I’ve told you once already - camels are mythological creatures. They don’t exist.
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‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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RE: Islam
May 21, 2020 at 1:12 pm
(This post was last modified: May 21, 2020 at 1:13 pm by WinterHold.)
And let's face it..punishment is a healer to victims; a point you -and so many- never answered yet.
(May 21, 2020 at 1:11 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (May 21, 2020 at 1:09 pm)WinterHold Wrote: And you can be a camel with bone weakness.
In other words; you might be unworthy
I’ve told you once already - camels are mythological creatures. They don’t exist.
Boru
So as Elks..
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RE: Islam
May 21, 2020 at 1:17 pm
(May 21, 2020 at 1:12 pm)WinterHold Wrote: And let's face it..punishment is a healer to victims; a point you -and so many- never answered yet.
(May 21, 2020 at 1:11 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I’ve told you once already - camels are mythological creatures. They don’t exist.
Boru
So as Elks..
Ok, now you’re just being silly. Silly, silly, silly.
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RE: Islam
May 21, 2020 at 1:19 pm
If punishment can heal victims, then why should we add cruelty?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Islam
May 21, 2020 at 3:12 pm
(This post was last modified: May 21, 2020 at 3:15 pm by WinterHold.)
(May 21, 2020 at 1:17 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (May 21, 2020 at 1:12 pm)WinterHold Wrote: And let's face it..punishment is a healer to victims; a point you -and so many- never answered yet.
So as Elks..
Ok, now you’re just being silly. Silly, silly, silly.
Boru
I didn't hear about grudge and feelings to take what the robber took. It is only long years in jail when bankers are involved !
(May 21, 2020 at 1:19 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: If punishment can heal victims, then why should we add cruelty?
Because for most people, cruelty is the only way to pay them back a healer for the trauma the crime caused.
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RE: Islam
May 21, 2020 at 3:17 pm
(This post was last modified: May 21, 2020 at 3:22 pm by BrianSoddingBoru4.)
(May 21, 2020 at 3:12 pm)WinterHold Wrote: (May 21, 2020 at 1:17 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Ok, now you’re just being silly. Silly, silly, silly.
Boru
I didn't hear about grudge and feelings to take what the robber took. It is only long years in jail when bankers are involved !
If I understand what you're getting at (and there's no guarantee that I do), no one here is saying that thievery shouldn't be punished.
But do you really believe that kid who swipes a magazine from a news kiosk deserves the same level of punishment as does the perpetrator of a Ponzi scheme that bilks millions of people out of billions of dollars?
Quote:Because for most people, cruelty is the only way to pay them back a healer for the trauma the crime caused.
Wrong. Most people want justice, not cruelty. 'He who steals my purse steals trash.'
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RE: Islam
May 21, 2020 at 3:25 pm
(May 21, 2020 at 3:17 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (May 21, 2020 at 3:12 pm)WinterHold Wrote: I didn't hear about grudge and feelings to take what the robber took. It is only long years in jail when bankers are involved !
If I understand what you're getting at (and there's no guarantee that I do), no one here is saying that thievery shouldn't be punished.
But do you really believe that kid who swipes a magazine from a news kiosk deserves the same level of punishment as does the perpetrator of a Ponzi scheme that bilks millions of people out of billions of dollars?
Boru
In this comment in page 2 I did mention that kids should be excepted from the rule because they didn't satisfy the mental capability to grasp the consequence of their action:
https://atheistforums.org/thread-61009-p...pid1976065
Quote:WinterHold said:
To approve a punishment, the condemned needs to satisfy the age and the mental capability to realize their crime.
A child is not mentally capable of realizing the consequence of their actions.
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