Islam

[The Grand Nudger]

Eye witness testimony is notoriously unreliable.  Let's leave that aside, though.  Suppose you do have four credible witnesses and no concerns about the accuracy of their testimony.  You got the guy.  Slap a fine on him, put him in jail for 30 days.  A jail with less rape, more cheesecake, and drywall.  A jail where you can get waivers.

What's the point of cutting off his hand?  Whats the point of torturing prisoners?

The point is spreading fear between criminals or any person who wants to commit robbery in the future.
Though, eye witnesses can be filtered and validated through many steps of trial. In our age, cameras might be used too.

Sounds like cruelty is the point.  Spreading fear makes people fearful, but it doesn't prevent them from committing crimes. You end up with a larger pile of severed hands and no fewer criminals.

I have to ask, though, what was with all that kumbaya horseshit from earlier? Maybe we should rape people to death with frozen cheesecakes, to spread fear. It won't prevent crime, but neither will cutting off appendages.

[WinterHold]

The point is spreading fear between criminals or any person who wants to commit robbery in the future.
Though, eye witnesses can be filtered and validated through many steps of trial. In our age, cameras might be used too.

Sounds like cruelty is the point.  Spreading fear makes people fearful, but it doesn't prevent them from committing crimes. You end up with a larger pile of severed hands and no fewer criminals.

I have to ask, though, what was with all that kumbaya horseshit from earlier?  Maybe we should rape people to death with frozen cheesecakes, to spread fear.  It won't prevent crime, but neither will cutting off appendages.

Spreading fear in response to criminal behavior is the best method to fight crime. That's exactly why the police is armed. I would sleep better knowing that thieves are punished under a just system.

You can't stop crime anyway; and no matter what you do you'll have criminals who never fear punishments, but who ever said that punishment is to end crime? it is for the victim of the crime to sleep better at night.

Again; talk about severed hands and I'll speak about years wasted from the convict's life in the barbaric concrete-box sentences.

[Deesse23]

Spreading fear in response to criminal behavior is the best method to fight crime. .....
You can't stop crime anyway; and no matter what you do you'll have criminals who never fear punishments, but who ever said that punishment is to end crime?

You did. literally one sentence ago. See my bold.

it is for the victim of the crime to sleep better at night.

No you just said its for deterring criminals and fighting crime. You said so, literally one sentence ago.
Even if you wouldnt contradict yourself: Chopping hands off so someone else can sleep better at night? Really?

Again; talk about severed hands and I'll speak about years wasted from the convict's life in the barbaric concrete-box sentences.

Yes, and one is wrong, and one is barbaric, and thats not locking up people for a small amount of time.

[WinterHold]

Spreading fear in response to criminal behavior is the best method to fight crime. .....
You can't stop crime anyway; and no matter what you do you'll have criminals who never fear punishments, but who ever said that punishment is to end crime?

You did. literally one sentence ago. See my bold.

it is for the victim of the crime to sleep better at night.

No you just said its for deterring criminals and fighting crime. You said so, literally one sentence ago.
Even if you wouldnt contradict yourself: Chopping hands off so someone else can sleep better at night? Really?

Again; talk about severed hands and I'll speak about years wasted from the convict's life in the barbaric concrete-box sentences.

Yes, and one is wrong, and one is barbaric, and thats not locking up people for a small amount of time.

? Where is the contradiction, please?

I said literally:

It is the best way to fight crime.
It is the best way to heal victims of the crime.

[Peebothuhlu]

At work.

That is one primitive and ignorant veiw of the way 'Justice' should work.

[WinterHold]

At work.

That is one primitive and ignorant veiw of the way 'Justice' should work.

Take pity on criminals until you get bitten by one.
The aftermath of criminal activity is devastating to a community; if these are times of "peace" in many countries, wait until it becomes the exact opposite. And don't forget how rifles and guns are still in use by cops to this day -ask them why-.

[Deesse23]

You did. literally one sentence ago. See my bold.

No you just said its for deterring criminals and fighting crime. You said so, literally one sentence ago.
Even if you wouldnt contradict yourself: Chopping hands off so someone else can sleep better at night? Really?

Yes, and one is wrong, and one is barbaric, and thats not locking up people for a small amount of time.

? Where is the contradiction, please?

I said literally:

It is the best way to fight crime.
It is the best way to heal victims of the crime.

You said:

but who ever said that punishment is to end crime?

After saying:

Spreading fear in response to criminal behavior is the best method to fight crime.

You also said:

it is for the victim of the crime to sleep better at night.

All of these are bald faced and unevidenced claims.

And no, prison is not worse than chopping hands off, just because you say so, and just because you (inaccurately) claim that people get raped in prison.
You should stop making bald faced and unevidenced claims like this in general.

You also failed to tell us what happens to people who steal twice or more than that.

[The Grand Nudger]

Sounds like cruelty is the point.  Spreading fear makes people fearful, but it doesn't prevent them from committing crimes. You end up with a larger pile of severed hands and no fewer criminals.

I have to ask, though, what was with all that kumbaya horseshit from earlier?  Maybe we should rape people to death with frozen cheesecakes, to spread fear.  It won't prevent crime, but neither will cutting off appendages.

Spreading fear in response to criminal behavior is the best method to fight crime. That's exactly why the police is armed. I would sleep better knowing that thieves are punished under a just system.

Sure, except for how it doesn't work at all to fight crime.  You might not be aware, but I presume that god would know that. I'm not sure how police work in islamistan - but they're not supposed to be stormtroopers, in the west, spreading fear with their guns. That's not at all why they're armed...if and when they're armed, lol.

You can't stop crime anyway; and no matter what you do you'll have criminals who never fear punishments, but who ever said that punishment is to end crime? it is for the victim of the crime to sleep better at night.

Either it can or it can't stop crime - if it can't stop crime, then it's no way to fight crime, let alone the best way.  Would you sleep better at night knowing that people are being mutilated and tortured on your behalf?

Again; talk about severed hands and I'll speak about years wasted from the convict's life in the barbaric concrete-box sentences.

Is the problem with incarceration that it's too cruel, or not cruel enough?

[WinterHold]

Spreading fear in response to criminal behavior is the best method to fight crime. That's exactly why the police is armed. I would sleep better knowing that thieves are punished under a just system.

Sure, except for how it doesn't work at all to fight crime.  You might not be aware, but I presume that god would know that.  I'm not sure how police work in islamistan - but they're not supposed to be stormtroopers, in the west, spreading fear with their guns.  That's not at all why they're armed...if and when they're armed, lol.

lol. Cops are terrorist in the U.S, in other countries they sell dope and drugs.
Stop insulting the intelligence of the reader, while cops are disciplined a little in Europe -and especially UK-, they are terrorists elsewhere.

You can't stop crime anyway; and no matter what you do you'll have criminals who never fear punishments, but who ever said that punishment is to end crime? it is for the victim of the crime to sleep better at night.

Either it can or you can't stop crime - if it can't stop crime, then it's no way to fight crime, let alone the best way.  Would you sleep better at night knowing that people are being mutilated and tortured on your behalf?

Please read the bold.

[The Grand Nudger]

Sure, except for how it doesn't work at all to fight crime.  You might not be aware, but I presume that god would know that.  I'm not sure how police work in islamistan - but they're not supposed to be stormtroopers, in the west, spreading fear with their guns.  That's not at all why they're armed...if and when they're armed, lol.

lol. Cops are terrorist in the U.S, in other countries they sell dope and drugs.
Stop insulting the intelligence of the reader, while cops are disciplined a little in Europe -and especially UK-, they are terrorists elsewhere.

You may think so, but you're likely to think that any american is a terrorist, so I don't know how much weight you expect that accusation to have. 

It remains the case, even if we assume that they were..that they're not supposed to be.  That would be a systemic failure.  You insult your own intelligence.  Cops don't have guns so that they can be more effective terrorists.

Either it can or you can't stop crime - if it can't stop crime, then it's no way to fight crime, let alone the best way.  Would you sleep better at night knowing that people are being mutilated and tortured on your behalf?

Please read the bold.

I did, and I'm asking you whether you would sleep better at night knowing that someone is mutilating and torturing people in your name. I think that we could also use some clarity as to whether incarceration is too cruel, or not cruel enough.